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All Forum Posts by: Matt Ruttenberg

Matt Ruttenberg has started 12 posts and replied 107 times.

Post: What are your thoughts on Indexed Universal Life Insurance ?

Matt RuttenbergPosted
  • Specialist
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 108
  • Votes 77

It's a good strategy for the right person.  When designed properly and implemented properly throughout the years, it could really be beneficial.

The idea is to keep the death benefit as low as possible to keep the internal costs of insurance down.  If it's used for funding RE, it's designed differently than if needed for death benefit.

Post: Whole life or IUL? Infinity banking with Life Insurance

Matt RuttenbergPosted
  • Specialist
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 108
  • Votes 77
Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

The only people who make money with this are the people who are selling the life insurance.

In all of my investigations of this, it has never penciled out for me. Partially because when you loan yourself money out of your cash value, the interest you pay yourself is taxed but not tax deductible. 

Life insurance, including cash value life insurance, is a great estate planning tool. That being said, the additional cost to go from term to whole life insurance, has terrible math that takes years to just break even. Even on an accelerated timetable I think it is 3 or 4 years before the cash value exceeds the additional cash put in to get the cash value out. 

Wanted to touch on the taxable interest part... it's only taxable if it becomes a MEC (modified endowment contract).  Meaning, the IRS sees it becoming an investment, basically just like an annuity.  It would also be taxed if the cash value is simply withdrawn instead of loaned against regardless if it's a MEC or not.

The design of these is a balance between the death benefit and the contribution amount, and not allowing it to become a MEC.  The goal is to "squash" the death benefit while maintaining the tax benefits.

I'd be happy to show you a design where it's completely optimized and show you the difference in commissions when designed properly versus not.  3x less in some cases. 

Post: Whole life or IUL? Infinity banking with Life Insurance

Matt RuttenbergPosted
  • Specialist
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 108
  • Votes 77

@Alex Xu The difference between the two, is more of a personal choice.  WL is a more steady growth where the IUL has more fluctuation in the returns.  The IUL has more flexibility once the policy is in force where WL is more set with the original plan design.

The goal is "squash" the death benefit down as much as possible in the design.  The internal costs (and commissions) are related to the death benefit amount.  Both types of policies are done in different ways.  Many will say it only benefits the person selling the policy, this is far from the truth when designed properly.  When compared to term commissions, the ratio is higher per premium payment in a term versus WL or IUL when designed properly.

As an administrator of 401k plans, defined benefit plans etc, these aren't to replace a retirement plan or other investment, it's to stack on top of those vehicles.  I wouldn't use these as your first and only contribution vehicle.

The real investment using these policies is what you're investing OUTSIDE of the policy... the real estate.

And finally, these are long term policies.  When designing these for short term access, it hurts the policy long term actually.  The concept is to use these in the short term as the down payment on the properties, or a portion of.  Then, as it grows, use them like a "fix and flip" loan where you pay off the loan with a long term mortgage, just like any other private or hard money loan.  Then, rinse and repeat.

When designed and implemented properly, you should be able to purchase multiple properties over the years, and still have a way to supplement your retirement in the end with the cash value.

Feel free to reach out with any follow up questions.

Post: Infinite Banking Concept

Matt RuttenbergPosted
  • Specialist
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 108
  • Votes 77

@Will Fraser infinite banking is actually using life insurance as an asset to lend against when over funded.

Post: Infinite Banking Concept

Matt RuttenbergPosted
  • Specialist
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 108
  • Votes 77

@Richard Hadley I’d be happy to discuss if you like to see what could work. Feel free to reach out.

Post: Are IUL insurance plans a scam?

Matt RuttenbergPosted
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  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 108
  • Votes 77

Completely agree!  I was once targeted to be recruited and they have Super Bowl sized rings with their income level on there.  I laughed and walked away.  Very commission centric company.

Post: Are IUL insurance plans a scam?

Matt RuttenbergPosted
  • Specialist
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 108
  • Votes 77

I wouldn't call IUL's a scam.  There are a few companies that work off of the multi-level marketing business model (World Financial Group for one), but scam wouldn't be the definition.  If it is properly designed, it's a great tool and "piece of the pie".  

I wouldn't use this if you simply need life insurance because you'd want to prioritize other financial needs first.  But again, a piece of the pie.

There are many groups out there that have the opinion it's a scam, but that comes down to the agent and how it's sold to you.  Discuss with multiple agents, planners, and advisors before making a decision.

Post: Buy and Hold Flip in Florida

Matt RuttenbergPosted
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  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 108
  • Votes 77

@Gina Stern

Cape Coral. It was years ago… just adding it to my portfolio.

Post: Buy and Hold Flip in Florida

Matt RuttenbergPosted
  • Specialist
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 108
  • Votes 77

Investment Info:

Single-family residence other investment.

Purchase price: $113,500
Cash invested: $40,000
Sale price: $275,000

Purchased foreclosure as a live in flip. Sold at substantial profit.

Post: Condo near college campus.

Matt RuttenbergPosted
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  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 108
  • Votes 77

Investment Info:

Condo buy & hold investment near Kent State University for college students. Rented by the room.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

I purchased it while I was in college and held onto it.

How did you finance this deal?

Conventional. Had leases in hand to help with DTI.