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All Forum Posts by: Jon S.

Jon S. has started 119 posts and replied 515 times.

Post: What to do about mortgage rates negatively impacting cash flow?

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Quote from @Christopher Dru:

I'm a beginner real estate investor doing all the learning, reading, and mock deal analyses that I can before I'm able to locate a cash flowing duplex in my target market and purchase my first property (I plan to live in one unit and rent the other).

As I scan the MLS and analyze potential deals based on current market prices and expenses, it seems that the major factor preventing nearly every property I analyze from cash flowing is the mortgage rate.

I plan on putting down 20% into my aspirational duplex and having around 10% or so above the down payment in cash reserves for unknown expenses, maintenance, emergencies, etc.

With mortgage rates being as high as they are (7%+) at the moment, it seems like a true "needle in the haystack" situation to find a property that will cash flow in my area (Central Florida).

Note that in my analyses, I am running the numbers as if I am renting both units of the duplex as well as if I were to rent only one unit of the duplex (both situations produce negative cash flow).

Let's say I find a duplex that I want to purchase and everything fits my standards with the exception that I have negative cash flow of $100-$200 per month. At that point, am I basically making an appreciation play? Would the best move be to hope rates come down in the near future so I can refinance to a lower rate? In this situation I'd need enough cash reserved to keep the property operating at a negative cash flow for the indefinite future.

What are investors to do in situations like this when there just are not any positively cash flowing properties if you're not purchasing the property outright? Standby until the cost of capital goes down or get creative with private lending?

Thanks for any and all insight.

Chris

If you're currently renting, then comparing that to buying a duplex, living in one and renting out the other will probably make good sense. Include the rent you would otherwise be paying into your analysis. And likewise also include all costs of ownership, ie, repairs, taxes, vacancy, etc. An appreciation play is probably hard to find and bad timing right now but that might change if there's a significant dip in prices. I would wait and see for a few months as higher interest rates could force prices down further. I would also suggest focusing on the value add BRRRR purchase process if you have the skills for renovation or know people who do that. But if you don't have those skills and you don't have any connections to people you can trust to help with renovation then you are probably better off with a turnkey first property. Estimating the cost of renovating a property can be pretty tough even for those who are experienced and you simply can't trust the numbers that the seller is claiming as the renovation costs. As a first time investor, you could end up with renovation costs that could run double or triple what you were expecting. Keep that in mind before you decide whether to go the BRRRR process or the turnkey process. Also, keep in mind that rents will probably continue to go up, so put that in your analysis as well on both sides of your spreadsheet i.e. remaining a renter or owning a duplex. Also, if you wait long enough for rates to drop again, then you're going to be contending with and competing with everyone else who's ALso been waiting for rates to drop again. and we still have a supply shortage. Yes, this is a tougher time for aquiring. No, you won't get the same deals that people were getting before rates started increasing, Yet there's still a solid argument for owning a duplex or a home with an ADU rental unit. By the way, instead of a duplex, you might be able to find a single-family home with an accessory dwelling unit to use as a rental. Historically single-family homes have appreciated in value faster than duplexes. Good luck in your pursuit of a first investment property!

Post: QOTW: What are your "hard pass" items when evaluating real estate

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Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @William Lokar:

My only hard pass is if the adjacent properties are real eyesores.   I just can't control other property owners and landlords; I figure I can handle the rest if the price is right.


 That's a great point!

I’d say for me this rule has some exceptions. For my own personal residence, this is absolutely the case, but for investing, the exceptions to this rule would be in cases where the area is a transitional neighborhood opportunity, as those ugly properties will soon get snapped up and repaired by investors or the next home owners. I currently have a nice property in such a neighborhood and its amazing watching all the low priced houses getting repaired and renovated, not to mention neighborhood values going up. Assuming the buy price has priced in the disrepair of the neighborhood, that might be a deal I would be interested in. I suppose the downside scenario would be a significant recession slowing the transition, and then waiting years for the neighborhood transition to get underway again. 

Post: QOTW: What are your "hard pass" items when evaluating real estate

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Quote from @Troy Albers:

@Jon S.

For a STR pools can be a plus because you can generally get quite a bit more $$ per night and be more desirable to the guest, thus offsetting some of the possible added costs of the pool.


That was my thought, I just wanted to be sure of the accuracy that a pool is a plus for a STR, so thanks for confirming. I wouldn't pay to add a pool to a home, but if I can buy a pool home in a good airbnb location, that might be of interest, especially since appraisers don't give pools much value.

Post: QOTW: What are your "hard pass" items when evaluating real estate

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Quote from @Troy Albers:

If it’s for a property I’m looking to hold and rent out for a long time, I’ll generally pass on homes with pools. They tend to be a pain in the a$$.

Would you find a pool to be a desirable feature for a STR in a good STR location?

Post: Dominion Financial Services

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Thanks for sharing your experience. I've been looking out for posts, positive or negative, on Dominion Financial Services LLC, to see what experiences other investors have had with them. I'm going to look at other bridge loan, fix and flip lenders, hard money lenders, and hopefully find one that has a good reputation. I hope more people with positive or negative experiences add to this post

Post: 3% commission on hard money loan?

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You mentioned you are a first time investor, and 150 units from ground up is no small undertaking, its a big project, especially for a first time. My concern would be with your familiarity with MF development, and how you would have the basis to judge whether everything is kosher or not kosher, and the initial investment of $100K or more without having that background. Essentially, if you don’t understand the fee, it suggests that there is much more about this deal that you also might not understand. Don’t invest until you understand the deal you are investing in. Make sure of the job responsibilities of each person, check and verify that they are all qualified for each of their roles, and find an attorney to read the deal and see if he can poke some holes in the deal, so you can go into this with your eyes wide open. If your money is in the deal, and they are not experienced, and your project gets held up by permits, zoning, or environmental issues with the land, etc,  you could be in for a surprise. So go over the deal with a fine tooth comb to make sure every participant has the experience to get through the multitude of difficulties that MF Development can run into. Ask if the builder has a list of other similar projects they completed? Ask the person earning the 3% for a list of their completed projects, and find out what their official role and stake in this is. Ask about the syndication attorney for the deal. They should be able to tell you which other developments they have done, what other syndications they have done. This is due diligence on your part, and on your attorney’s part, to make sure no body in the deal is trying to skip any bases before getting to home plate, ie, before getting your investment. 

Post: Today was a real lesson! Why I hired a property manager!

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Today, I am grateful for having decided on a professional property management company. And thankful they were dedicated enough to leave church -on a Sunday morning- to call the police and rush to the unit, all to protect the interests of a client. It really feels good to have that kind of protection and that kind of management.

I've read many posts about the pros and cons of hiring a property manager versus self management. I was doing fine self managing. I felt like I could not spend money on a PM as long as I was doing a good job myself. Until one day I realized I wasn't. At first my interest in real estate was literally everything about it, from beginning to end. However, over time it became more and more apparent that my focus in real estate is the numbers, spreadsheets, financing, P&L, and the renovations and design. Seeing a finished property come out beautifully is a great and exciting feeling. Anyone who has done a BRRRR renovation knows how exciting it is to see the finished product. Tenants are interesting, its great to get to know who you are renting to, and hear how they like your apartment, and I like making sure they are comfortable and happy, but eventually I learned that managing tenants and screening tenants, was not really my thing. To manage tenants, you have to stay up to speed on all the local, state and national legalities, which change on a constant basis. That's a big complex topic, and frankly while that's interesting, I'd rather spend my time finding properties, improving existing properties, researching and financing the next deal, or just enjoying a nice dinner, these are all things that I am better at (especially enjoying a nice dinner). But I continued to self manage because I was afraid to give up control, until one day it became obvious that my disinterest with tenant management was resulting in slower turnovers. Things like taking too long to list a property for rent, or too long doing a background check, too long calling references, or worrying too much about which applicant was the right applicant. This created stress rather than excitement. It also caused lost revenue. In this business, the adage "time is money" could not be truer. Disinterest can be costly on the bottom line. It's hard to feel proud of a property success knowing it could be managed better. So the solution became clear. Firing the disinterested party (me) was the most humane thing I could do! So I fired myself!

I decided to try a PM with 1 property at first, just to see what its like to let someone else worry about it, and to see whether they could manage it better.  I have now had the services of a property management company for over two years and they have most of my units now. Am I happy? Well, it isn't that simple, it is a multifaceted response. I still haven't given up entire control, I simply haven't progressed to that stage. Thankfully, my PM is patient with me and has allowed me to ease into taking a backseat. But I let the PM have 100% control over tenant management.  And that has made an enormous difference.  Vacancy times are considerably shortened, they have a giant pool of applicants, they manage the pet applications and fees, they do the background checks more thoroughly, they call references, and they use their experience choosing applicants, and they handle the move out and damage assessment and deposit refunds. More importantly, they keep up to date on the legal and liability aspects of property management, which lets me focus on what I am good at.

Today was unusual though, as it really taught me the beauty and benefits of having a property manager. One of our units was listed online by a scam artist. Unfortunately, a young couple was naïve, having believed they were renting the unit for less than 1/2 the listed price, and they paid 2 months rent over the internet to a scammer. However the property manager noticed the day before that something wasn't right about the keys, as 1 key was missing, so she was concerned and ordered a lock change. The couple came to move in, and found that the lock was changed, but this did not deter them. Rather than calling the person who presumably rented the unit to them, they instead called a lock smith to change the locks!! Thankfully, the PM received word that this was happening and they called the police, met the police there, and the police halted the locksmith from changing the locks, and the police informed the couple that they have been scammed. This was completely sad for the young couple, who we feel bad for. However, had the PM not rushed over there, and had the couple managed to change the locks and move in, we would be dealing with completely different problem, an eviction. Thankfully, the PM knew what to do, how to handle it fast, who to call, and what the action steps to take, and she took those steps at lightening speed.  Had we not had a professional PM, we would have had to figure out how to handle this ourselves, and by the time we got advice the couple would certainly have succeeded in moving in, and then we would have had to go through the courts and eviction. Based on the experience today, I think it pays to have professionals doing a complex job, and sometimes the job is complex. Todays situation had a lot of legal ramifications, and if you don't have legal resources at beck and call, and experience with similar situations, you might make the decision more slowly, and slower decisions like this might be costly. Ending up with an eviction could have costs thousands, not to mention the additional time, energy, and anxiety.

I couldn't be happier about being fired, especially since I replaced myself with someone who is a true professional!

I feel that I made the right decision based on my knowledge and interests. 

Now I can have a nice dinner and not worry about it!  And start looking for another property! 

When I am on vacation in the future, I won't have to worry either. After all, I invested in real estate so that I could afford more vacations. So maybe in the near future I should start thinking about a vacation? :) 

After all of this, my advice is, if you decide to try a PM, look for those with the best reputations, credentials and experience. Look for one who invests in property management, industry conferences, education and knowledge, and has legal resources available for fast advice. That's a big part of what you are paying for. While it's essential to the task, the PM job is not just about collecting the rent. 

Post: Has anyone used ClickInvest to find deals?

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Originally posted by @Scott Mednick:

I tried clinckinvest paying their $3500 upfront for their software. I thought either it was cheap or expensive. I know others have found many deals on the platform. I live in So CA, but I am doing deals in Chicago. I did both platforms, one, I would "click" on the deals that I wanted, I did not get any deals, the second, the agent that helps you does the clicking, or makes offers on your behalf. I still did not get any deals. I tried for 5 months to get it going to at least to get one deal so it pays off. They really have a good system. But after that did not work, I did ask for my money back. Well, here is where it gets insulting. The owner asked if I am new, NO, I have been flipping for 20 years and get the business and run a REIA in So Ca. I know what I am doing and not afraid to pull the trigger. Then the agents that were assigned to me did not tell the truth about my experience or the owner made up that I had found deals and did not want to move forward. NOT True! As successful as they seem to be, giving back one refund seems silly and that I have to share this with others like this. They do have a good system with contractors in place, but when it comes to customer service, that is not that great at the management level. If you choose to use them, it would be better if you live in the market that they serve. JMHO. Good luck to who reads this.

Thanks for sharing your experience with them. Did you eventually succeed in acquiring a property through clickinvest, ie, in Illinois? We’re their calculations, estimates, values, rents, rehab costs, metrics correct? Just wondering as I have been curious if this is a worthwhile subscription, or whether their metrics are solid, and whether this is an advantage or not? Thanks for sharing your original post and experience. Would love to hear the follow up since then. Thank you 

Post: Are there any lenders with 30 yr fixed loans for prop in LLC?

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@Kevin Luttrell 

Wow, that's a lot of lenders! Thank you for that! Do you have any suggestions about which ones are best, or areas they are strongest in? Any idea of rates, fees? Thank you! 

Post: Are there any lenders with 30 yr fixed loans for prop in LLC?

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Are there any lenders with 30 yr fixed loans for prop in LLC?