That makes a lot of since. So your saying even if your focusing on foreclosures or even homes listed well under tax value with good comps. that you have the most success through ads. As far as the court house is concerned do I just go there ask for the most recent defaults or foreclosures I've heard they read off the foreclosures and you have the option to buy them but, if you have you haven't seen the property how do you set up a contingency to ensure your not getting a raw deal. When you go to the court house is there room for negotiating there or is it the price they tell you. What remarks do you post in your ads and with signs aren't there laws on where they can be placed. When your looking at a deal what are the main focus points you look at to make a solid deal like rehab cost, closing, utilities, holding cost, seller commissions sorry for so many question. How do you list your properties if you do not use an agent. Thanks for you time.