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All Forum Posts by: Kevin Pillow

Kevin Pillow has started 2 posts and replied 130 times.

Post: How to structure a STR partnership

Kevin PillowPosted
  • Realtor
  • Destin, Fl
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 165
Quote from @Zach Kubiak:

My fiancée, my brother and myself are looking to partner together to get our first STR. We are having trouble on how to structure the deal between us three. One idea is to get a vacation home loan in one person's name but have all three people on the title and/or can quitclaim into an LLC that us three are all on. We would like to not have the other two people's DTIs affected if possible so that those two people will be more easily able to get pre approved for another loan. Any advice on how to best structure this would be greatly appreciated.

I have had couples do this before where the wife will be on the mortgage because she can qualify for the loan on her own. Then the agent(me) will write on the purchase contract the names of all parties wanting to be on the deed in the buyers section. Then at the bottom of the contract where there is an additional terms section I write those individuals not on the mortgage as non borrowing purchasers. For example, John smith is a non borrowing purchaser. Then I inform the the title company of what we are doing and as long as everyone is on the purchase contract they will be on the deed. I’ll caveat that I’m licensed in Florida so you will want to check with the state specific agent or title company to see if you’re able to do this.

For those saying to turn a STR into a LTR, are you already locked in at lower rates or the debt payments are low enough that market rates for rentals will cover the cost to hold the property? I'm thinking in some markets that are much heavier vacation rental markets like the Florida coastal areas that have high seasonality this strategy wont be as effective.

Post: Home value declines in 2nd home markets

Kevin PillowPosted
  • Realtor
  • Destin, Fl
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 165
Quote from @Wilson Hunter:

While I’m bullish on STRs for the longterm and will continue to invest in them, the situation is different than 2020 and is not only interest rate hysteria. There is a legitimate decline in vacationing in many markets (especially mountain markets or low lead time markets) in the summer of 2022. This is likely to have some effect on prices in the next 3 to 12 months. For example, many Smoky Mountain cabins were priced in anticipation of continued tourism growth from 2021 numbers. While the decline or normalization is fine for most of us it definitely is not fine for many of the cabins purchased in the past 6 months. I have a hard time seeing how 90% of the cabins sold in the past 6 months in the Smokies are making money with the numbers for this summer, for example. This is the same for smaller cabin Blue Ridge where you can already see price drops on types of cabins that were being bid up way over list merely 3 months ago. 

A similar trend was happening down here, I could go into the price history for 10 actively listed vacation properties and 6 of them would have been bought between 2020 and 2021 with an increase of 30%+. When I look at the photos from when it was purchased to when it was relisted there are no upgrades except the price. It's just what happens at the peak of a cycle so you're right about legitimate concerns with overpriced properties in vacation markets with declines in vacation goers. I just don't think people should throw the baby out with the bath water by saying STRs are dead or not worth investing in now.

Post: Home value declines in 2nd home markets

Kevin PillowPosted
  • Realtor
  • Destin, Fl
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 165

I can remember the days of 2020 when everyone said AirBnBs/STRs were doomed and the world was coming to an end. Fast forward to 2021 and it was a spectacular run up in demand to buy STR properties in vacation markets. Now we are 2022 and because rates are ticking up everyone is scared of investing in STR markets. I believe the investors that can be creative and see the opportunities in this environment will be the ones to reap the rewards versus those who just want it handed to them on a silver platter. If you want risk free go buy Treasury Bonds! (rant complete)

Post: STR loan options in these times?

Kevin PillowPosted
  • Realtor
  • Destin, Fl
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 165
Quote from @Matthew Crivelli:

@Wesley Myers

Rates are on the rise and 6% doesn't sound unreasonable for an investment property. If you feel rates will be back down in the coming years you could always start buying these properties with 2+1 bridge loans. This is a 2 year interest only loan with an option for a 1 year extension. 2-3 years down the line, the properties would be fully stabilized & seasoning requirements for every bank would be met so you could refinance with just about anyone at that point. 


 Is this type of loan something most LOs feel comfortable or even know how to do?

Post: STR Enemy Method in Panhandle of Florida

Kevin PillowPosted
  • Realtor
  • Destin, Fl
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 165

You may just have to do it based on the limited info available. Since you're trying to market to traveling nurses vs beach goers, you can probably get away with not being closer to the beach. Also if there is an HOA check their guidelines if short term leases are okay and if zoning from the county prevents it. I know in certain parts of Destin like north of Hwy 98 STRs are prohibited.

Post: STR loan options in these times?

Kevin PillowPosted
  • Realtor
  • Destin, Fl
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 165

This thread is getting spicy 🌶 !

Post: STR loan options in these times?

Kevin PillowPosted
  • Realtor
  • Destin, Fl
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 165

When I meet with other investors and lenders the idea of using ARMs is becoming more appealing. 5 or 7 year ARMs can get you in at a lower rate and if you don't plan on keeping the property beyond 7 years it may be something to consider. Since I'm down here in Destin I have my main lender who has a 10% down product for alot of STR folks looking to take advantage of the 2nd home loan product. Ask your agent if they know any investor friendly lenders.

Im not a real estate attorney or licensed in California but from what I know in Florida you would be a property manager so would need a license. I found this site that says you need to have your brokers license to be a property manager in California. Link

Quote from @John Underwood:

I don't understand why people need any of this for a couple of properties.  I use the built in tools and messaging that Vrbo provides. It takes almost no time to self manage without paying for a bunch of extra software.

I would disagree with you on this if you’re using more than one booking company. Also the pricing service is a great tool that lets you control and integrate with channel managers.