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All Forum Posts by: Kevin Pillow

Kevin Pillow has started 2 posts and replied 130 times.

Quote from @Ricardo Hidalgo:
Quote from @Adam Rose:

Hello Everyone,

I'm looking for a bit of guidance. I'm interested in purchasing my first AirBNB property, and have found a place I think I would love to invest, Panama City Beach! I've visited the area a few times, and it seems that they are trying to distance themselves from their prior party roots. I'd really like to purchase a beachfront condo, rather than housing elsewhere in the city. My question is threefold. First, what condo resorts would you recommend looking for properties? I've heard from locals that Treasure Island, Emerald beach are good places to look. I also have a friend who has a condo at Edgewater that I really liked. Secondly, for any resorts that are preferential, what makes them stand apart from the others (better HOAs, no special assessments, higher occupancy, cheaper HOA cost to amenities provided etc). Finally, I'm interested in beachfront as that's where I would like to stay when I visit, but I would be open to hear about other ideas that have better ROI if there any.

Thanks,

Adam Rose


 Full transparency: I showed all the gulf front condos this week including the big names: tidewater, majestic, Emerald Isle, grand Panama and tidewater etc. They aren't cash flowing. The best options is buying a townhome that needs to be renovated or a beach house that is on the west side or laguna beach. Condo tends to jump the quickest in prices during an appreciation based market. I think condos will be good options when the market settles down. In addition, condos require 25-35% since they are non-warrantable. You can get away with 15-20% down on townhomes or beach houses!

I wouldn’t put a blanket statement that all condos are not warrantable. Some of the lenders we work with like Joe at Midwest Bank Centre have more flexible condo questionnaires that can qualify a condo as warrantable when other lenders can’t. As long as the loan is conforming, below $647,200, it will qualify for that 10% down second home loan. As for not cash flowing I think the market is at a point where buyers can negotiate on price. So writing an offer at a price point that gets you net positive cash flow is a possibility.

Post: Math for short term rentals

Kevin PillowPosted
  • Realtor
  • Destin, Fl
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 165
Quote from @Alexander Szikla:

Be sure to budget for higher utility expenses (think about how you use AC or water when you go to a hotel), repairs due to wear and tear as well as cleaning expenses.  


 This is why I love condos with HOAs that include water and and electricity. You end up with fixed costs.

Post: Math for short term rentals

Kevin PillowPosted
  • Realtor
  • Destin, Fl
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 165

I know it’s tricky because STRs are seasonal but I just use AirDNAs rentalizer. Then I multiply the occupancy rate the rentalizer tells me but the total number of days in a year. For example: occupancy rate x 365 = total days rented. If the estimated occupancy rate is 65% then total days rented is .65 x 365 = 237 days retendes. The last step for me is to multiply 237 days x Average Daily Rate. 237 days x $450 = 106,650.

@Adam Rose Let's get into it! I added the picture because its easier to visualize the area when looking at a map. On the image I have marked all the beach front condo's that meet the intent of what you are looking for between $200k and $600k, which is the typical budget for a majority of STR investors I work with looking to pickup a condo. You already mentioned Emerald Beach and Edgewater condos which are great but I added some more for you to consider. Treasure Island didn't make the cut because the lowest priced unit is at $710k and the rental projections were around $50k so not very competitive in my view. I recommended the condos below because they had more amenities for guests, are on the beach (except for Lake Town Wharf) and have units actively for sale. I also wanted to give you the heads up on Shores of Panama because it looks great in photos but has some struggles and now there is some drama between the HOA and owners. Personally I like eastern PCB because the data from price labs supports higher ADRs in that area. I hope this helps answers some of your questions, if there is anything else you want me to do like pull rental projections or run cashflow analysis just shoot me a DM and I'll get it over to you.

1. Splash Condo | Annual HOA $6,752 | Google Stars 4.1 1,412 Google reviews
2. Tidewater | Annual HOA $7,805 |Google Stars 4.0 2,662 Google reviews
3. Emerald Beach Resort | Annual HOA $11,987 | Google Stars 4.3 540 Google reviews
4. Edgewater | Annual HOA $8,320 | Google Stars 4.2 3,496 Google reviews
5. Shores of Panama (currently a bit spicy here with a lawsuit to prevent an assessment More Info Here) | Annual HOA $9,352 |Google Stars 3.5 4,135 Google reviews
6. Lake Town Wharf (not beachfront but very popular with investors, can get a 3bd for $550k) | Annual HOA $9,772 | Google Stars 4.1 4,308 Google reviews
7. Summer House Condo | Annual HOA $6,516 | Google Stars 4.4 343 Google reviews
8. Regency Towers | Annual HOA $6,546 | Google Stars 4.1 1,086 Google reviews

Post: Miramar Beach, FL LTR Pricing

Kevin PillowPosted
  • Realtor
  • Destin, Fl
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 165
Quote from @Bill B.:

Does it say if 70 or 90% of renters find their rental through the mls or an agent? You might find out you can use a PM and actually make more money. After almost 3 weeks you should definitely already have a tenant. So it comes down to advertising (quality or location) or price. If you think it’s priced right you pry need a PM as your advertising isn’t working.

You’ve already lost almost a month of rent. That’s more than the 8% many PMs charge fi you find someone tomorrow. 


 The LTR market down here seems too scary for me when you put it like that 😂 

Post: Miramar Beach, FL LTR Pricing

Kevin PillowPosted
  • Realtor
  • Destin, Fl
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 165

Hey @Kyle A. Isaacs I would reach out to Amanda Scooler over at Newman Daily Properties. They do a ton of LTR Property Management in that area. She knows the area for LTRs well and can definitely give you some solid insights, I'll DM you her contact info.

Post: HOW DO YOU GUYS DETERMINE THE BEST STR MARKET

Kevin PillowPosted
  • Realtor
  • Destin, Fl
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 165
Quote from @Paul Sandhu:

Dumb luck.  There is a petrochemical refinery in my town.  I asked a realtor how much they charge to rent to contractors.  She said $1000 a week.  I put 4 beds and appliances in a house in this town and charged $840 a week.  A year later I had 3 STRs, a year after that I had 8 STRs.  Now I'm up to 23 with 83 beds.

The dumb luck technique has a high ROI 😂 

Post: HOW DO YOU GUYS DETERMINE THE BEST STR MARKET

Kevin PillowPosted
  • Realtor
  • Destin, Fl
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 165

@Endory Neves One method that may help you is to leverage NARs vacation rental market reports to identify trends and learn about markets. See what counties in the country are considered vacation counties by NAR, here are some links to get you started. The NAR Vacation Rental homepage has most of the resources open to the public so take advantage of the free data they provide.

1. 2021 NAR Vacation Counties Report - Report Here
2. NARs Vacation Rental & Second Homes page - Here

Post: Military Move Investing in Omaha, NE

Kevin PillowPosted
  • Realtor
  • Destin, Fl
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 165
Quote from @John Payne:

Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $290,000
Cash invested: $25,000

Like many military investors, we typically buy properties in each duty location (if possible). We paid $290,000 (10k under asking) on a VA loan where we lived for 3 years with the plan to fix it up over those years and rent it out. It rents for $3000 every month, and with an appraised value of $375,000 we refinanced using a 1st Lien Position HELOC strategy to pay down the balance MUCH faster while have equity accessible to take advantage of opportunities.

The $25k we added includes a DIY en suite upgrade, and a contracted addition of a bathroom and additional bedroom to convert it from 4be/3ba to 5be/4ba.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Military moving / House Hack Strategy

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

MLS through a buyer's agent

How did you finance this deal?

VA Loan and refinanced into 1st Lien HELOC

How did you add value to the deal?

Added new bathroom in rough-in area which added an additional 70 square feet, added new bedroom to ample existing space as a mother-in-law suite, and refurbed the en suite.

What was the outcome?

$3000 per mont gross rent with $400 in cash flow.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

I highly recommend our agent (Karen Jennings), our property manager with Action Management (Craig Jungjohann), our insurance with Farm Bureau (Matt Guzinski) and our HELOC refinance with First Savings Bank (Anthony Rushing).

I don't recommend going directly to Anthony Rushing, but I highly recommend signing up with Michael Lush's Replace Your Mortgage program to get all the ins-and-outs of the strategy. I have an affiliate link if you want to request it from me to let 'em know I sent you. DM me


 I used to be stationed at Offutt, some of my contacts still there would love this.

Post: Do STR make more sense with my goals?

Kevin PillowPosted
  • Realtor
  • Destin, Fl
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 165
Quote from @Jackie Tang:

I am currently looking to invest in STR as well. From my research, you have to be very careful on the new local government regulations. Lets say for example in the Smokey Mountains, there are working on limiting STR permit to a certain number per person. Also find out if you need to pull permits for short-term rentals. The current LTR we had for our townhome cannot be rent for less than a year per HOA rules. Another things I am considering is also if I can put a team in place, such as the handyman and the cleaning crew. They are the "superstar" for your STR, especially investing from long distance.


 You can always do some research on the Emerald Coast for cities like Destin, Seaside and Panama City Beach. If you're looking for stable regulation and Average Daily Rate growth I think it's worth a second look.