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All Forum Posts by: Jim Pellerin

Jim Pellerin has started 8 posts and replied 870 times.

Post: How Does OPM Investing Work?

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Quote from @Yousuf Kaleem:
I am trying to get a better understand of how using OPM works in RE financing.  Specifically, how would you determine how much an investor gets after a flip, or cash flow for rental income?  Here are two examples. I am aware there are other costs to think about, but just keeping the numbers simple for the purpose of understanding.  

1) Flip:  Say purchase price and rehab costs on a home is 300k, and you flipped for 450k.  You put a down payment of 20% (60k) and got 120k each from two investors.  So since your net profit was 150k, how much would each investor get and how much would I keep?  Or is this a horrible investment because the net profit doesn't even equal the OPM I used?  

2) Rental: Same purchase price of $300k.  Used 240k OPM split evenly between two investors.  Rental cash flow is $500/month.  How much would each investor get, how much would I keep?   

I hope this makes sense.  Really trying to understand how I would pitch these kinds of investments to potential private lenders...

 @Yousuf Kaleem on 1. Flip - You left out a lot of expenses, There will be acquisition costs, holding costs and disposition costs. Most flippers estimate 15% of the ARV for these. So on $450K, that's another $67K. So that means your profit is closer to $150K -$67K = $83K. As far as how you split it will depend if they are equity investors or debt. I'm thinking they are equity based on the way you explained it.So the easiest is divide it by 3 so about $28K each. This is a really good return in this hypothetical example. Or you can take half and they split the other half. Or you get them as debt investors and pay them 15% or so during the time you have their money.

Post: Real Estate Professional Definition

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Quote from @Azin Eftekhari:

Hi everyone,

Can someone kindly explain the phrase underlined below in simpler English? 

A qualified real estate professional is a taxpayer who owns at least one interest in rental real estate that:

  • Performs more than 50% of their personal services in real estate trades or businesses in which they materially participate, AND
  • Spends more than 750 hours of services during the tax year in real property trades or businesses in which the taxpayer materially participates.

 My guess is it's someone who spends more than 50% of their time buying, selling or investing in real estate.

Post: Working in construction sales to fund Real estate deals

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Quote from @Sebastian Bustos:

Hello everyone!

I wanted to get your opinion on a job opportunity offered to me, as it might align with my RE investment goals but I'm not sure if I should take it. I currently work in IT as a support analyst but don't make nearly enough to fund my first small multifamily deal.
I'm considering doing wholesaling part-time, but I'm not sure if that's realistic without a solid marketing budget.
I have a sales background and was offered a job in construction/roofing sales recently. I'd have to sell and see the projects to completion, which will be a great skill to use on my own flips.
On the other hand, the IT industry has potential so leaving it doesn't seem like a good move.

Any thoughts are appreciated!

 @Sebastian Bustos I spent 35 years in IT and spent 25 years in real estate at the same time. you don't need your own money to fund deals. There are lots of free ways to find wholesaling deals without any marketing budget. You can use paid marketing once you get a few deals in place. If you are good at sales, you already have the most important skill. With your IT background, you can easily set up some automated outreach processes. There are a lot of cheap tools you can leverage to do that. 

So my recommendation is to do wholesaling for a year or so until you raise about $100K. Use that money to invest in larger deals, like apartments. Automate your wholesaling business so you now have an income which would allow you to leave your IT job. Give yourself 1 year.   

Post: Build or Buy Off-Market Marketing List?

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Quote from @Dan Cioaca:

I'm starting to systematize my fledgling real estate business so that I can scale it in the coming years. Listed deals in my area almost never pencil, so I'll eventually need outbound marketing to scale. I'm debating whether to build or buy my marketing data , and I'm leaning toward build for a few reasons, but here I'll focus on the economics. Can anyone experienced with outbound list-based marketing help me better understand the economics or if there's a different/better approach or provider (I used listsource as my reference example)? I do plan to initially use a list provider for proof-of-concept, so my question is about the long-term.

Since list providers charge for usage, they seem to exhibit diseconomies of scale and I worry that will limit growth in the long-term. When pulling sample lists, the juiciest data is very expensive and leads to a cost decision between highly-targeted small list or poorly-targeted large list, each of which is likely to yield few deals. Let's say the list provider has 50 criteria - my marketing budget would fund a list with 1000 targets across 3-4 categories or 200 targets across 6-7 categories. I'd like to be able to target across all 50 criteria and also to experiment with different levels of targeting. If I build my lists in house, this would be a one-time fixed expense and my ongoing marketing costs would be limited to direct outreach costs. There is also some data I'd like to use for targeting that just isn't available at any price if outsourcing. 

Can anyone with experience doing it yourself versus outsourcing comment on these and other tradeoffs?

@Dan Cioaca what type of properties are you looking for? SFHs? MFUs? What type of marketing do you plan on doing? Direct mail? email? Cold calling? What is the investment strategy you are using? wholesaling? fix and flip? buy and hold? 

Post: excel spreadsheet or other ways

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@Lucio Palanca I have created my own in the past but then when I started using property management software it outputted to Quickbooks which is what my bookkeeper used. 

But here is one that looks good. https://www.zillow.com/rental-...

Post: When to move on up to Class B

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Quote from @Glenn Barlow:

Hi BP fam, 

Currently, I am working in all Class C properties (duplex/tri/quad, and soon to be 24 unit MF property, also Class C). 

I hear horror stories online about people talking down Class C and saying that cap rates are gonna go up and delinquencies are going to also increase, however, we are batting 0% on bad renters and payments from our tenants. 

Other investors that I follow (albeit more advanced and well heeled that me at my stage) indicate they would ONLY buy Class B and would not touch Class C, for the above reasons.

I make most of my money buying Class C with value add (have done well - now at 63 units), and am interested in Class B, however - I'm interested to know what the BP Family think about "when" to do that.

My initial plan was to accumulate 100+ units of Class C, add the value, and then liquidate/consolidate into a better asset class.  But should I get out now? even when all my tenants are paying well?

Love to hear some thoughts on this.

Thanks!

I think what you are referring to is Class C neighborhoods and not Class C properties. Class C properties can still be good investment properties catering to certain income groups. 

Post: Scared to get sued with wholesaling as a realtor

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Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Andrea V.:

Why would you wholesale as a REALTOR? 

Wholesaling is the process of finding an off-market deal, locking it into a contract for a particular price, then selling that contract to another buyer for a higher price so you make a profit.

If you find the off-market deal, just list it for sale and earn the commission!

Wholesaling is the process of finding disounted properties and putting them under contract. I know people who just do on-market deals and some of them are realtors. 

Post: use to wholesaling trying to become cash buyer

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Quote from @Jerome C Brown:

so i have been doing pretty good wholesaling i am closing deals but the spreads arent that big but i am closing an getting deals there are alot of properties where i am that are going for $5,000 as an need little to no repairs and i am in a landlords market can anyone help with how to get some financing so i can purchase these properties an fix them up like how do i get a loan just for that i have a llc and i have some deals done but not enough capital... i dont want to let these properties go. an i dont want to wholesale them either . my credit isnt that good though 659 please help with advice 

What kind of spreads are you getting? How many deals are you doing?

Post: Should you purchase your property cash?

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For long term strategies you want to maximize your leverage as long as you can see a positive cas flow. 

The real calculation is the IRR which will take into account equity gain and cashflow.

Post: Does an investor need to put 20-25% down?

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Be careful. The more you leverage a properly make sure it still cashflows.