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All Forum Posts by: Greg Horn

Greg Horn has started 13 posts and replied 87 times.

Post: Kauai Hawaii Vacation Rental Property

Greg HornPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kilauea, HI
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 27

Aloha @J Wray!

What has you going in and out of vacation rentals everyday, if you don't mind me asking? 

I'm currently focused on helping investors achieve a return on their vacation rentals in Princeville and not gouging them with the management fees so that everyone goes home with a nice return. 

What would you say are the biggest challenges that owners of property in the VDA (Princeville, Poipu, Kapaa/Wailua resort areas that allow vacation rentals) face when trying to maximize the return on their investment?

Mahalo!

Post: Kauai, Hawaii Meetup!

Greg HornPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kilauea, HI
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 27

Aloha All!

Wanted to share that a group of us will be getting together tomorrow to network and talk about what it takes to be a successful landlord.

When: Tuesday, July 19th, 5pm HST

Where: Upstairs at Kalapaki Beach Hut, Lihue, Hawaii (Google Maps)

Who: Real Estate Investors (and newbies) investing on Kauai

What: Network w fellow investors and learn about being a successful landlord (long-term and short-term rentals)

You can RSVP at our page on Meetup at: http://meetu.ps/e/BMddv/b4Ps4/f

Please don't hesitate to message me for more details! You can also find my contact info on the Meetup page via the link above (can't share it here).

Mahalo!

Greg

Post: Lease from Owner then Vacation Rent Out - Wrap?

Greg HornPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kilauea, HI
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 27
Will do, Michelle L. !!

Post: Lease from Owner then Vacation Rent Out - Wrap?

Greg HornPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kilauea, HI
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 27
Mahalo Seth Macomber ! I completely agree.

Post: Lease from Owner then Vacation Rent Out - Wrap?

Greg HornPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kilauea, HI
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 27

@Monika Haebich, that's fantastic info! Thanks for sharing it!

My thinking was that I would make offers to homeowners in the form of a long-term lease (12 or 24 months) where I'd be on the hook to pay the lease. 

After learning more about your company at Rented.com, it sounds like a really awesome service that you're providing. Are there any owners looking for offers on Kauai? Or are there any property managers who currently use your service on Kauai? I can't figure out how to find that info.

Mahalo!

Greg

Post: Lease from Owner then Vacation Rent Out - Wrap?

Greg HornPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kilauea, HI
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 27

Mahalo @Monika Haebich for the reference and @Al Williamson for the link to the article!

Post: Lease from Owner then Vacation Rent Out - Wrap?

Greg HornPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kilauea, HI
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 27
Awesome, thanks Tommy! So if I lease multiple properties from one owner and vacation rent each of them out, I'm ok, but as soon as I lease from a different owner, I'd need to have a realtor's license? That's a huge help! Mahalo!

Post: Lease from Owner then Vacation Rent Out - Wrap?

Greg HornPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kilauea, HI
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 27

Aloha All,

I have a strategy that I'm looking at where I sign up properties for long-term leases and then vacation rent them out - totally above-board, and I would love to get your input. I've posted this in the 'Innovative Strategies' forum (I honestly have no idea if this is an "innovative strategy" or if it's simply called a wrap and has been around forever, haha). 

Please follow this link and let me know what you think!

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/61/topics/325...

Mahalo!

Greg

Post: Lease from Owner then Vacation Rent Out - Wrap?

Greg HornPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kilauea, HI
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 27

Aloha!

I live on the island of Kauai, Hawaii, which isn't the easiest place to find long-term rentals with good cashflow. We also get over 1M non-resident visitors per year. There are only 68,000 full-time residents, so tourism is a huge part of the island.

For months, I've been looking into acquiring property in an area where vacation rentals are allowed (it's restricted here on Kauai via the VDAFAQ). It can work if you've got the cash to plunk down for a large down payment, which I don't. When I run pro formas based on splitting equity with an investor or getting a loan, it creates a fairly narrow return on both sides, so I've been scratching my hear.

Recently, a friend was telling me about a team he knows in Chicago that will sign long-term leases on apartments where the owner is simply looking for stable, consistent income. Then, they'll turn around and vacation rent out the apartments and manage all of that. All of this is above-board, written into the contracts and all that, so there's nothing shady happening. 

The long story short is that they're crushing it, clearing a couple thousand per month on each rental. They'll basically go into these places and get them set up with any furniture and appliances needed to make them vacation-rental ready. They will also do some form of a net lease, because a common objection from an owner is that vacation renters will beat up their place. So, this team will take on responsibility for some of the maintenance of the place. 

Basically, the only upfront costs are the security deposit, any minor rehab, any furniture/appliances and a safety cushion to carry the place for a couple of months while you get the rental dialed in. Like any other rental, I'd be setting aside portions of the income for repairs and maintenance. 

The only downside I see is the very hands-on management of a vacation rental, which I'm prepared and willing to handle. 

The worst-case scenario I see is that the economy takes another nose-dive and vacation rentals take a hard hit. If that's the case and I really can't vacation rent it out enough to cover expenses, I can either try to long-term rent it out or break the lease. Even in breaking the lease, it'll be a few thousand bucks probably, maybe just the loss of my security deposit. Either way, not a terribly tragedy. 

I keep trying to poke holes in this strategy and understand why this wouldn't work here on Kauai, but I haven't been able to find any. So, I turn to you, my BiggerPockets ohana, to help me figure out why this may not work on Kauai. Please give me everything you've got to help me figure this one out.

Mahalo,

Greg

PS - one realtor friend here said that he believes I'd need to be a licensed realtor to do this because, in effect, I'm managing property owned by someone else. I'm checking with the Real Estate commission to confirm this before I sign up for the next Real Estate class. If anyone has insight on this, in Hawaii or otherwise, it'd be appreciated.

PPS - I think this strategy is called a wrap. Forgive my ignorance and please let me know if that's what it's called.

Post: Meetup in Kauai Hawaii (Lihue) Tuesday April 26

Greg HornPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kilauea, HI
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 27

@Waylon Brun looking forward to getting together!

@Marvin Romero does it look like you'll make it?

@David L.@Jeremy Santy@Alex Day@Phillip Cuilla@Christian Marston@Brian Tafaro@Lani Forster@Davian M.@Alvin Ikeda think you guys can make it?