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All Forum Posts by: Eric Williams

Eric Williams has started 22 posts and replied 147 times.

Quote from @Kory Reynolds:

These are separate considerations, and no one can say for sure on your situation without a much deeper conversation.


But in short...yes someone can be a real estate professional while having a management company, they still need to meet the same hours requirements as anyone else.  If a management company is doing all the day to day, you may need a larger operation to hit the 750 hours required - it's not happening with a couple small properties.  The second step is that you are a material participant in your rental real estate activities, which has it's own facts and circumstances test.  Again, if a management company is doing all the day to day, you may need a more significant operation to actually count as a material participant in those rental activities.

Short Term rentals are a separate consideration altogether.  The work you do on them can count towards the 750 hours, but they are often outside of the category of Rental Real Estate income that being a real estate professional actually provides an advantage to.   Even though the real estate professional rules may not matter much for an Air BnB, material participation in that activity still does.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/51/topics/1122635-the-s...

One of the other contributors on this board wrote the above post which will provide you very helpful information on the strategy you seem to be trying to execute.


 Short-term rentals do not fall under the per se passive rules. They do not have real estate professional requirements.

You would still have material participation requirements. There are 7 ways but they all require a consistent, substantial, and considerate levels of activity.

Either way for passive rules keep in mind you cannot attribute the activities of others to your efforts. They do not count, and if anything, make you look worse since there is evidence you are doing less.

The more they do, the less you do. Also other factors would hurt like having a full-time job.

Post: Passive to Active Rental Income question

Eric WilliamsPosted
  • Accountant
  • Houston, TX
  • Posts 147
  • Votes 41
Quote from @Jeff Belokin:

How can I turn schedule E rental income into schedule C rental income?  My aim is to open a Solo(k) and fund it with income from rental properties we self-manage. Passive income can't be contributed into Solo(k)'s best I know.  So, can I pay myself a salary, then contribute the salary to the Solo(k)?


You can't pay yourself a salary on Sch C. You base contributions off self-employment income.

Post: Can I show Rental income as spouse income

Eric WilliamsPosted
  • Accountant
  • Houston, TX
  • Posts 147
  • Votes 41
Quote from @Arun Kumar:

Me and my spouse own a rental property. Can I show rent as income for my spouse only while filing taxes ? 


 Nope. Assignment of income doctrine prevents income shifting like this.

Whoever owns the property producing the income is taxed.

Post: Investor vs Dealer - Example

Eric WilliamsPosted
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  • Houston, TX
  • Posts 147
  • Votes 41

So a piece of property in terms of capital or ordinary treatment, relies heavily on the items intended use in the taxpayer's hand.

It can turn an otherwise capital gain into an ordinary one. It may even disallow previous amounts. And the IRS does do this.

Here are some factors from a case.

In determining whether the income should be classified as ordinary income or capital gain, the court evaluated nine criteria: 

(1) the taxpayer’s purpose in acquiring the property; 

(2) the purpose for which the property was subsequently held; 

(3) the taxpayer’s everyday business and the relationship of the income from the property to the taxpayer’s total income; 

(4) the frequency, continuity, and substantiality of sales of property; 

(5) the extent of developing and improving the property to increase sales revenue; 

(6) the extent to which the taxpayer used advertising, promotion, or other activities to increase sales;

(7) the use of a business office for the sale of property;

(8) the character and degree of supervision or control the taxpayer exercised over any representative selling the property; and 

(9) the time and effort the taxpayer habitually devoted to sales of property. It is important to note that, under Sec. 1221(a)(1), property is not a capital asset if it is “stock in trade of the taxpayer or other property of a kind which would properly be included in the inventory of the taxpayer . . . or property held by the taxpayer primarily for sale to customers in the ordinary course of his trade or business.”

It is key you be able to demonstrate both intent at the time of the transfer, and in activities after, especially if you churn. From the case:

During the trial, Mr. Flood argued that the lots were purchased for investment purposes and therefore the profits should be taxed as capital gains. However, the court found that even though the Floods did not develop the lots or use a business office, they put considerable effort into the real estate. The Floods examined public records to determine which property owners to contact to purchase the lots, mailed letters to the property owners to facilitate their purchase of the lots, prepared agreements for execution, prepared deeds, paid legal fees to clear title to properties they purchased, paid legal fees to ensure the closing of the properties, paid legal fees to enforce specific performance of purchase-and-sale agreements, conducted research, made phone calls, and used a real estate agent to sell lots. Additionally, Mr. Flood created a website designed to sell the lots and place advertisements in public places. The court also considered that the income the Floods derived from other sources was modest compared with the sale of the lots.

The court concluded that the “preponderance of credible evidence supports a conclusion that the Floods’ real-estate transactions were conducted in the ordinary course of a trade or business and not for investment purposes

Quote from @Kyle Porter:

Hey y'all! I've been diving into the world of cost segregation studies and its pretty neat. TLDR - it accelerates depreciation and you greatly reduce the amount of taxes you owe. Let me know if you have experience with cost seg or you're interested in doing one! Cheers!

Via the IRS:

Cost segregation studies are most commonly prepared for the allocation or reallocation of building costs to tangible personal property. A building, termed "§ 1250 property", is generally non-residential real property (39-year) or residential rental property (27.5-year) property eligible for straight-line depreciation. Equipment, furniture, and fixtures, termed "§ 1245 property", are tangible personal property. Tangible personal property has a shorter recovery period (e.g., 5 or 7 years) and is also eligible for accelerated depreciation (e.g., double declining balance, bonus depreciation and § 179 deduction). Therefore, a faster depreciation write-off (and tax benefit) can be obtained by allocating property costs to § 1245 property

179 is different from 168(k). 179 requires the active conduct of a trade or business which precludes property held for the production of income under 212.

Just a heads up.


Post: Real vs Personal Property - Cost Seg and Capitalization

Eric WilliamsPosted
  • Accountant
  • Houston, TX
  • Posts 147
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Another thing I thought I would mention in regards to cost segs is they generally increase the amount of tangible personal property, which is really anything but real property and intangible property.

The definition of real property is defined in the regs of 48.

That section is repealed but it's still used and reference in the regs of 167.

1.48-1

For purposes of this section, the term “tangible personal property” means any tangible property except land and improvements thereto, such as buildings or other inherently permanent structures (including items which are structural components of such buildings or structures). Thus, buildings, swimming pools, paved parking areas, wharves and docks, bridges, and fences are not tangible personal property. Tangible personal property includes all property (other than structural components) which is contained in or attached to a building. Thus, such property as p machinery, printing presses, transportation and office equipment, refrigerators, grocery counters, testing equipment, display racks and shelves, and neon and other signs, which is contained in or attached to a building constitutes tangible personal property for purposes of the credit allowed by section

(e) Definition of building and structural components.

(1) Generally, buildings and structural components thereof do not qualify as section 38 property. See, however, section 48(a)(1)(E) and (g), and § 1.48–11 (relating to investment credit for qualified rehabilitated building). The term “building” generally means any structure or edifice enclosing a space within its walls, and usually covered by a roof, the purpose of which is, for example, to provide shelter or housing, or to provide working, office, parking, display, or sales space

I point that out because if you don't have a lot of personal property under 20 years how are you going to accelerate? Or if you do but it's not worth a lot. 

Consider actually waiting a couple year and see how things are going. If you have a solid level of income, you can always amend. 

Post: EXPLAINED: "Real" cost segregation vs. DIY cost segregation

Eric WilliamsPosted
  • Accountant
  • Houston, TX
  • Posts 147
  • Votes 41

1. Is DIY cost segregation allowed? The tax law does NOT define specific requirements or standards for cost segregation studies, and neither does the IRS. 


 Absolutely untrue. You can simply go to the Cost Seg Audit Technique Guide.

As for tax law, yeah the standard is if you deduct anything on that return, you have the obligation to prove it if challenged. Deductions are a matter of legislative grace and the taxpayer bears the burden of proof, both of production and persuasion. Welch v Helvering

So if you put forth that you can deduct things faster under 162, 167, 168, etc., those are definitely standards you may be held to.

Also keep in mind you may pay for a benefit you don't actually accelerate because it gets suspended. Remember that you HAVE to take the depreciation, even if you don't benefit. So you may just end up delaying ordinary deductions and increasing ordinary income with recapture under 1245.

This also means you may get tax deductions at a rate lower for deductions when you have less income, and higher rates charged on recapture in the year of disposal. Also your capital gain is lowered the more you bonus.

If you are going to accelerate you need to really consider how much personal property there, how long you're going to hold it, any offsets available, alternative transaction structures like installment sales or even delaying it a year.

Publication 5653 (6-2022) (irs.gov)

It lists four more including the ones below.

The detailed engineering cost estimate approach (or detailed estimate approach) is similar
to the detailed cost approach. The difference is that the detailed estimate approach
estimates costs, rather than using actual costs. This approach is used when cost records
are not available such as for an acquisition of used property. I

The detailed engineering approach from actual cost records, also called the “detailed cost
approach” or “direct cost method”, uses cost information from contemporaneous
construction and accounting records. In general, it is the most methodical and accurate
approach, relying on solid documentation of the construction costs and minimal cost
estimating. Construction documentation, such as construction drawings, specifications,
contracts, job reports, change orders, payment requests, and vendor and supplier invoices,
are used to determine unit costs. The use of actual cost records in this approach
contributes to the overall accuracy of cost allocations, although issues may still arise as to
the proper classification of specific assets.

Quote from @Buddy Holmes:

Help please in learning how passive losses can offset Cap Gains.

I watched Brandon Hall's great #45 Daily Smart Tax video but my Turbo Tax seems to have a different opinion.

Form 8582 calculates Passive loss Limitations.

I have rental homes with PM but active participation. Their net loss was $11,452

I have DSTs and LP with total passive participation. Their net loss was $29,319

One of my Passive DST's was sold and I did a 1031 exchange but took $13,000 out.

I thought the $13000 LTCG would be off set by the passive loss I had carried forward. 

Turbo Tax separated the two and both had net losses.

My AGI was low enough to allow up to $21,805 in deduction, but…

The rental homes loss was less than the passive-passive loss so it was used to compare to the $21805 to reduce income by the lower value of $11,454 which was placed on the 1040

Part III goes on to calculate “Total Losses Allowed”

It sums the net income of the active and passive, passive activities on Line 10

Then Line 10 adds this to Line 9 which was the overall net of only the smaller active passive loss. It call this the “TOTAL losses Allowed” and to see instructions on how to report on your 1040? Turbo Tax evidently didn’t understand the instructions either because I can not find where it is used. Instructions say “use parts IV through IX and related instructions…” First I don’t have a Part IX on my Form 8582

Looks like the $29,319 will be carried over to next year. But why can't I off set a $13,000 LTCG which was taken out of the 1031 exchange of a passive investment?

Cheers,

Buddy


     The long-term rates have special rates.

    Those passive losses are likely ordinary income but suspended. In effect, they derive from ordinary deductions.

    You generally can't offset ordinary deductions against capital gains and you actually generally prefer not to.

    Post: 2022 Tax file question for Rental Property Depreciation

    Eric WilliamsPosted
    • Accountant
    • Houston, TX
    • Posts 147
    • Votes 41
    Quote from @Kevin Kim:

    Hello

    I have 3 rental properties and want to double check for depreciation best practices.

    Rental 1 Net income : -13,500 (Due to a lot of repair/renovation)

    Rental 2 Net income : 6,000

    Rental 3: 3,000

    So i thought, I don't have to use "depreciation" since my all total rental income was negative (-,4.500) (I don't want to pay a lot of capital gain taxes when i sell my home although 1031 exchange is possible...)

    But my CPA says this year negative loss (-4,500) will be carry over. Eventually, if i sell the rental home, I can use the carried over loss to deduct capital gain. My CPA recommends to use depreciation every year as even if there will be negative rental income (due to depreciation), it will carry over.

    I am in new this rental business and appreciate if someone can advise best practice for depreciation. 


     No you can't use your carried loss to deduct your capital gain and you don't want it to.

    PAL losses freed up from a qualified disposition offset ordinary income which is better. So you have some PAL to offset some sort of ordinary income (W-2) or recapture in year of disposal.

    It's in 469. 

    Post: Filing Taxes for LLCs

    Eric WilliamsPosted
    • Accountant
    • Houston, TX
    • Posts 147
    • Votes 41
    Quote from @Basit Siddiqi:

    You mention "We" and "LLC" so I assume it is a multi-member LLC.

    There may be a partnership return requirement if true.
    Partnership returns are due March 15 with the opportunity to extend it to September 15.

    best of luck.


    I'm going to tell you that there is a partnership here by default. 301-7701

    If you form an LLC with more than one member you are by default a general partnership.

    Anytime there is a joint endeavor to make a profit and share, there is a partnership. You do not need an LLC to be a partnership. You can cite Luna as well but consider you might have additional Federal and state/local filings.

    If it's with your wife then I don't think I would file one. You are a single economic unit on the 1040. 

    I'm a CPA and I would recommend talking to your CPA before entering a transaction, just in case.