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All Forum Posts by: Rodney Williams

Rodney Williams has started 6 posts and replied 67 times.

Post: Whoesaling a Note?

Rodney WilliamsPosted
  • Investor
  • Ocala/Belleview, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 48

I did find that Wells Fargo did Quit Claim this property for $9,000 to the co. trying to sell it to me for $16,000, and that there is $4500 in past due taxes. Would the reason they didn't get a Deed be because there are past due taxes?

The reason I was thinking they are the Note holder, and as you said they may be, is they are offering a package of homes and cut this one out of the package. I've never run into this before.

Post: Whoesaling a Note?

Rodney WilliamsPosted
  • Investor
  • Ocala/Belleview, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 48

Thanks for the reply and info Don. So is this what a purchaser of notes gets, is a title with no warranty?

Post: Whoesaling a Note?

Rodney WilliamsPosted
  • Investor
  • Ocala/Belleview, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 48

I posted this in the Note Forum 5 hrs ago and no answer. Maybe someone here can help

I was scouting for houses in my target area and called the number posted. After talking to the seller it sounds like they purchased NPNs because he said the closing would be on a Quit Claim Deed leaving me responsible for past due taxes and such. Also he said they had other houses and this one was out of a package.

I want to flip this quick, and can do so even with the past dues I found. I just am not sure if this will work like and normal closing and let my end buyer file Quiet Title or not. Any help appreciated.

Post: Closing issue

Rodney WilliamsPosted
  • Investor
  • Ocala/Belleview, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 48
Originally posted by P NW:

OK, maybe I can't really remember. Maybe I don't get my money until the sale records. I rarely take a check. I like to have the escrow company deposit my money into my account. Walking around with a check that big in my pocket makes me very nervous, even if it is only for a few blocks.

The signing of documents happens by both parties, then the closing agent faxes those documents to the closing agent for the lender, a funding number is issued after everything checks out and the funds have to go through a transferring process that flows through the Federal Reserve. This could take anywhere from 30 min to an couple of hours, and I have seen times when it takes longer.

If closing on a Friday afternoon the funds may not be ready until Mon. or Tuesday.

Keep calling the title agent until you get an answer. Be polite but firm.

Post: Bank Of America Conference Call, DON'T MISS THIS!!!

Rodney WilliamsPosted
  • Investor
  • Ocala/Belleview, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 48
Originally posted by G. F.:
Nick,
Your usually right but I have to go with JCC and Scott Hubbard on this one. It defies logic that an investor takes a 100% loss and Bank of America keeps all the profit from an REO. Why would an investor ever foreclosure? If that were the case and I was an investor, principal right downs would make more sense. When an REO sells, that money goes back to the investor, albeit at a fraction of what their principal investment was. Take a second to think about it.


IMO, this guy doesn't know what he is talking about and you should vet him again before the call and not put the stellar reputation that you have built up here at risk.


You may want to listen in. Remember there is no one investor in these situations. Notes were cut up into pieces and sold into CDOs, so that each pool contained these pieces not whole notes. Therefore it would be possible for the investment to be written off.

Post: Has anybody heard of this

Rodney WilliamsPosted
  • Investor
  • Ocala/Belleview, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 48
Originally posted by Financexaminer:
Sorry Felix, it is done, obviously not at your bank. If you have a slow pay or have given notice of default and that borrower and I walk in ask to buy the note, and you deny the purchase and proceed to foreclosure, you will be sued and try to justify not allowing that as a transaction in lieu of payment! There might not be a discount, but there usually is something.

I suggest the original poster find an individual investor to do this and modify the note for a better return. They can't "sell" the house back unless you grant a quit-claim deed.Buying the note is not taking title. Paying up front fees to me is pretty much a scam to me. Bill



The only way a bank can sell a note is if they portfolio the loan meaning they do not sell the note as the big banks do. These are usually community banks and local credit unions. To see more about buying notes go to the proper forum named "Tax Liens, Notes, Paper, & Cash Flows Discussion"

Post: up front fees from hard money lenders

Rodney WilliamsPosted
  • Investor
  • Ocala/Belleview, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 48
Originally posted by Craig Yarbrough:
I recently came across Palm Financial in Florida and they told me about a prety intersting commercial bridge loan program that they supposedly offer. I've never used a hard money lender especially one for commercial. Has anyone ever heard of this company or knowif up front fees are common? I'm not used to paying up front fees to a lender just for the privilege of telling me whether or not my project qualifies for an approval under his terms.

In the "commercial" lending world it is usual to have up front fees. This is due to the fact that the company believes you are a qualified investor and are ready and willing to move on a purchase.

The fees are typicaly for the appraisal, (commercial appraisals are much higher than residential, some start at $2500), and other aspects related to the purchase.

Sometimes the lender will refund part of the fee if the deal falls through as not eveything is done at one time. It can take at least ninety days to close a true commercial loan. It is very different than a residential purchase.

Post: Listing price - ARV vs REOs

Rodney WilliamsPosted
  • Investor
  • Ocala/Belleview, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 48


The appraiser will have to get into the house and you will be the one with the key. Just ask questions without getting in the way. They can adjust the subject to the comps. The better adjustments come from new roofs and or wiring, these bring the house closer to brand new. A good appraiser will make the adjustments. Also they will have knowledge of the purchase price to your buyer, which gives them a target to aim for even though it will not influence them.

Post: Listing price - ARV vs REOs

Rodney WilliamsPosted
  • Investor
  • Ocala/Belleview, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 48
Originally posted by Vikram C.:




I am primarily concerned about the fact that I will be able to find a buyer willing to pay me $150K but they may not get their bank to appraise it for that price if the bank appraiser decides to use pre-rehab properties to do his comps. I am going to see if I can be at the property when the appraiser arrives so that I can try to have a chat with him and see what his thinking is and try to communicate my views to him. But I guess this is easier said than done!

The appraiser will have to get into the house and you will be the one with the key. Just ask questions without getting in the way. They can adjust the subject to the comps. The better adjustments come from new roofs and or wiring, these bring the house closer to brand new. A good appraiser will make the adjustments.

Post: Negotiating Your Own Short Sale Deal

Rodney WilliamsPosted
  • Investor
  • Ocala/Belleview, FL
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 48
Originally posted by Brad Gertz:
THE company i use owns a title company as well. so they do the short sales for free as long as their title company gets to do the closing. I have given them about 25 deals recently and its gone well.


Hey Brad,

Do they do this anywhere in Fl. or is it specific to West Palm?