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All Forum Posts by: Derik S.

Derik S. has started 11 posts and replied 39 times.

Post: How much can I expect to pay for a multi family apt?

Derik S.Posted
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 18

A newbie here, wondering how much I would expect to-or in the case of finding a investor, would expect to realistically spend on a multi-family apartment complex? These things do not come cheap, especially in the cities where the market is piping hot. My strategy would be to buy and hold. According to Zillow, my home states capital of Denver, came up as #1 on the housing market. The first example is in Denver, second in Richmond, VA (another hot market)

4295 Hooker Street (seriously)

Asking Price: $595,000 

Cap Rate: 6%

Units: 4

3806 Chamberlayne Avenue 

Asking Price: $430,000

Cap Rate: 9.37%

Units: 8 

While I don't fully comprehend the idea of cap rate yet, I would be willing to guess the higher it is, the better it is. The property in Richmond is nicer than the one in Denver, yet is more expensive.

Post: Newbie from the Rocky Mountains

Derik S.Posted
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 18

Thanks all for your responses, and I'm looking forward to seeing more. 

Part of the reason I'm doing this is money talks. I'm unemployed and I don't have any income, 24, and aiming to make my first million before 30. I don't think that is too much of a stretch for a goal.

Post: Is a multi-family property good for a beginning investor?

Derik S.Posted
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 18
Originally posted by @Brian Burke:

Done correctly, multifamily is a good asset class. That said, there are a lot of added risk factors for an inexperienced investor. I've seen a lot of folks go belly up from multifamily because they didn't know what they didn't know.

If you are planning to use OPM you have to take an honest inventory of your experience because this is a serious responsibility. Plus you have to attract capital, which is easier said than done. Money isn't attracted to deals, it is attracted to track record. If you don't have a track record your roadmap to success would begin with smaller properties such as SFR, duplex, 4-plex, etc and then you can scale up as your investor base broadens.

Buying lower-end is OK but don't let that lure you into a false sense of security. During an economic downturn even the lower wage earners can lose their jobs.  In 2009 many apartment complexes all across the pricing spectrum lost occupancy and suffered from skips, uncollectable debt, and leasing concessions and in some cases negative rent growth.  Many investors lost their properties to foreclosure, completely wiping out their OPM.  Inexperienced investors got hit the worst because in many cases they were undercapitalized and overleveraged.

Do yourself and your investors a favor and earn your stripes on deals that are less likely to wipe you out if things go wrong.  Or...partner with someone with lots of experience so you can get OJT before being responsible for OPM.

 Thanks for the input Brian, 

Question, what would these deals look like that are less likely to wipe me out? Starting out, I am probably not going to be able to get an investor is shed anymore at the most than $100,000, right? So, I want to start out cheap-ER, without necessarily buying junk that would require more of an investment to make it attractive to prospective tenants, 

Post: new member from china

Derik S.Posted
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 18
Originally posted by @Kevin L.:
Originally posted by @Derik S.:

 I am curious though, how safe is it to invest in a property in China, or Asia in general?

1) how safe in the sense if something or anything will go wrong in the process?

 comparing to the US, china is a lot more less transparent I will say. all legal systems are not as developed vs US. It is very difficult for anyone form outside of chnia to do it.

besides, there are all kinds of control/restrictions in china to prevent bigger bubble..such as you are not allowed to buy or get a bank loan as a foreigner..etc

or

2) how safe if you will make money out of it?

there has been massive shoot up in prices in all major cities in china for the past 10-15 years. prices go up 300-400% is pretty common.

but going forward, it is a tough call if prices would still go up or down.

i think the best timing is over for this cycle.

3) other parts of asia, say, singapore, hong kong, taiwan, south korea - are almost all perked for their RE price for this cycle. intereste rates are very low, but prices shoot up. seems theonly way to go is down??

unless these markets becoming the next Japan in the coming 10 years (meaning prices coming down a bit each year for many years) , which is possible, who knows.

 I remember reading a article, it was either in Fortune or Forbes, but out of how the very wealthy have made their wealth, real estate was number one in Asia. How technology creates fortunes here, is what real estate does there.  Or at least, that's what that article was implying. But as a first-time investment, I'm sure my investment isn't going to be abroad just yet. 

So, if I am reading your response right, Japan would be considered the safest country since prices have been on a downward trend?

Post: Real Estate Attorney from Colorado

Derik S.Posted
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 18
Originally posted by @Patrick Soukup:

Good luck! Fort Collins needs savvy investors! Hope to work with you.

-Patrick

 I live in Fort Collins Patrick, message me sometime if you would like. 

And welcome to the forums OP.

Post: Multifamily investor in Emerging markets

Derik S.Posted
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 18
Originally posted by @Vinney Chopra:

Hi, I seek emerging markets where jobs are growing. Have been buying for few years  

Analyzing and researching is essential  

 Hi Vinney, welcome to the forums. 

As someone who is looking to carve a niche fr himself in multi-family investments, what would you say is the best way is to go about finding multi-family properties?

Given the weather at the moment, I wish I were in California.

Post: Is a multi-family property good for a beginning investor?

Derik S.Posted
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 18

I am looking to carve my niche in multi-family properties, such as a apartment complex,  since trying to cover everything would be spreading myself to thin. Given my situation of that I would be using OPM to finance a deal ripe for the picking, would it be a good idea to look into a multi-family property? Tell me if I should change any of the following, in terms of thinking. I would try to find a apartment complex where the average rent is lower, so around the $500-$800 mark, so if certain aspects of the market in that area go belly up, perspective tenants can still manage to occupy my units.

Post: Newbie from the Rocky Mountains

Derik S.Posted
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 18

Hi everyone, 

My name is Derik, I am new to BP and real estate investing in general.  So needless to say, I don't have any background experience in real estate (reluctantly admitting). Like some meetups I've joined, I am here to learn (e.g. negotiating, separating a good from a bad deal,  etc) and network with investors, and make solid connections. My main niche I'm looking at are multi-family properties (like apartments) to invest in. I listened to real estate investor, Grant Cardone, and he said unless you have money you can burn, skip the single-family properties, and look for a multi-family property that the average rent paid is low. 

By trade, I am a musician, and while I am looking for that to be my main source of income, I am looking to have multiple streams of income to build a pretty net worth. 

Looking forward to meeting you all, if you have any questions, feel free to ask. This puppy won't bite. Thanks.

Derik

Post: new member from china

Derik S.Posted
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 18
Originally posted by @Kevin L.:

Hi,

I have been reading BP on and off for almost 2 years. I am a chinese based in Beijing, China. would like to invest in buy&hold SFR in Houston area. I had some luck buying some properties in Beijing when prices were low. Hope to (re)invest some of that profit in US. understand it can be challenging doing this out-of-country. hoping houston prices coming down in 2016/7 (due to oil prices crashed) and it can be a good entry point for me?

BP is such an informative forum!

Kevin

 Welcome Kevin, coming from someone who is new to the forum himself, and real estate investing for that matter. I am curious though, how safe is it to invest in a property in China, or Asia in general?