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All Forum Posts by: David Garner

David Garner has started 4 posts and replied 92 times.

Post: Nothing will cashflow.

David GarnerPosted
  • Investor
  • Ellwood City, PA
  • Posts 93
  • Votes 124
Quote from @Chad S.:

Anyone still thinking that they are going to find profitable deals like duplexes, fourplexes, and good singles family home to rent at potentially 6% or 7% interest rates and current asking prices?

Hey Chad... in my case, yes. I pay 9% interest only using private money and everything still cashflows. Maybe investors that have a model that relies on 4% money might struggle to maintain that in the near term. They'll either have to pause or pivot. Hopefully that'll leave more deals on the table for me, but I doubt it. If the deal only worked with 4% money then it definitely won't work for me.

Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

DG

Post: Earning 100k vs borrowing 100k?

David GarnerPosted
  • Investor
  • Ellwood City, PA
  • Posts 93
  • Votes 124
Quote from @Anthony Cole:

I'd like to propose a simple question. If you have the ability to source investment capital regularly at a realistic interest rate, let's say 7% APR. Is it wiser to borrow the money rather than 'earn' the money traditionally in which you pay 30% income, federal, state, etc. tax on? I realize this is a loaded question and want to keep it fairly surface level to invite as many opinions on this as possible!

Hey Anthony... Great question. I'd say for most people it's an 'and' rather than an 'or'. But, for me personally, I'm a debt guy. Provided I ha e the means (assets) to repay and make a profit, I'm ndefinitely a debt guy. I've used OPM to build a 100+ door portfolio in 5 years, so it's worked for me so far at least. The new dawn of rates/houses prices/inflation/politics might change my view if my model becomes no longer fit for purpose, but for now at least I'm a borrower.

Good luck

DG

Post: Differences between Fix & Flip vs BRRRR Method

David GarnerPosted
  • Investor
  • Ellwood City, PA
  • Posts 93
  • Votes 124
Quote from @Edmond Thorpe:
Quote from @David Garner:
Quote from @Edmond Thorpe:

I recently have went back to the very beginning of the Bigger Pockets podcasts. With all the information, I believe that I would like to start executing the BRRRR Method. So I was wondering if there are any big differences between the standard Fix & Flip method, compared to the BRRRR Method? Any information will be a great help.

Hey Edmond... well done on making a choice and taking positive action! In my experience, operationally speaking at least, the main differences will be the type of house and location you buy, amd the level of rehab you do. In my market, some streets are Flips streets, amd some are rental streets.

You might find small starter homes are in high demand from buyers, while big 4 bed houses are great rentals, all in the same area.

Buy what's right for the local marker and your plan.

Good luck,

DG

 Thank you for the perspective check. I didn't even consider those when narrowing down which process I want to learn first.

Most welcome, Sir. 

The market dictates the strategy (rental holds or flips), and the strategy dictates the property.

Good luck

DG

Post: Occupancy inspection woes

David GarnerPosted
  • Investor
  • Ellwood City, PA
  • Posts 93
  • Votes 124
Quote from @Preston Gealy:

@David Garner wow some areas of Sharon are rough. That is too bad. That is true that good deals are hard to come by. The seller must have remorse over going under under contract for so low of a price.

Hey Preston... Yes, for sure there are some rough streets down there! Most of what I buy is cheap because there's so much rehab that the owner (usually a landlord or inherited) doesn't have the cash or motivation to fix it up. Our MO is to buy crappy houses cheap and add value. If you make a nice home and select your own tenants well then they cashflow great with minimal problems 'most' of the time, even in those areas. I've found scale to be important, too. I ha lve over 100 now, so the bad gets absorbed into the good so lo g as you run things right and don't get greedy or rents or stingy on rehab/maintenace.

Post: Creative Financing From LLC

David GarnerPosted
  • Investor
  • Ellwood City, PA
  • Posts 93
  • Votes 124
Quote from @Scott Pinney:

I have a potential partner that is going to be the lending partner. He has a total of 4 SFH and 2 commercial lots that are completely paid off, but under an LLC.

I'm looking for creative financing ideas on how to access the equity that the LLC has built up and use it to fund my own deals.


Hope that makes sense. Thanks in advance!!

Hey Scott

We're in similar markets, so... Hi! There are tons of options, but it's all a bit up in the air right now with regard to who will lend against what and for what purposes and on what terms.

My personal go-to is Private money, with an exit of commercial or credit union money longer term. That will be expensive, but by far the simplest option right now.

It all depends on how much you need, for how long, and how you or your partner are prepared to offer the collateral.

A private lender will take a 1st on each individual property, and you can each offer a personal guarantee and/or cross collateralization wit rhe other assets and/or whatever it is youre buying.

I hope that's helpful. Hit me up with any questions.

Good luck

DG

Post: Promissory Note for Using OPM

David GarnerPosted
  • Investor
  • Ellwood City, PA
  • Posts 93
  • Votes 124
Quote from @Lilian Penna:

 Thanks for your reply: I have some questions as I am trying to do the same

When you get a private lender, how much do you need as a down payment? Ho do you structure it, interest only? for how long? How much interest rate do you need to accept. Thanks for your knowledge

Hey Lilian,

Good questions!

Downpayments: If its a fully renovated and tenant occupied house that I already own, my lender comes at 65% LTV. I've found that's the sweet spot for risk (forthem), amd cashflow (for me).

Amortization: Most of the loans we take are interest only. It's simple, most of these folks are  IRA investors, not sophisticated, experienced lenders, so K.I.S.S. rules. That's said, I have taken amortised loans woth a short term balloon so I get some amortization paydown gains, too. I think the rule is; structure a deal/terms that works for both parties and for the project.

Term: I have loans ranging from 36 to 120 months. Again, this depends on the lenders preferences, and what work for me/the deal.

Interest rate: For lower risk lending against renovated and csahflowing  properties, I pay a straight 9%. Maybe a point or 2 also. Pre rehab the lender puts up 80% to 100% of required funds, never more than 65% of ARV, and I pay 12% across interest and points with bonuses for early payoff.

My typical 'lower risk' deal looks like this:

Value: 100k
Loan: 65k
Rate: 9%
Term: 36 months

My typical pre rehab deal looks like this:

PP: 35k
Rehab: 20k
ARV: 100k
Loan: 55k
Rate: 9%
Points: 3%
Term 12 months

I may also set the note and deed at 60k and discount by 5k instead of adding points.

Hope that helps.

Good luck

DG

Post: Current Private Lending Rates

David GarnerPosted
  • Investor
  • Ellwood City, PA
  • Posts 93
  • Votes 124
Quote from @James Palassis:

Private Lenders: I did some lending a couple years ago, usually getting a couple points and 10% interest. That was when inflation was 2% and conventional rates were 3-4%. Now planning to do some more lending (to local folks I have worked with in the past). 

Question: with inflation approaching 9% and mortgages approaching 6%, what are you private lenders getting for your money these days? Are we still in the 10% range?

Hey James... I have done over 100 PML deals in the past 5 years as both borrower and lender. In our PML Program, we pay our lenders 9% flat on low risk, no rehab loans at 65% of as-is value. If its a traditional pre rehab loan, its more like 12% across interest and points.

Good luck

DG

Post: Occupancy inspection woes

David GarnerPosted
  • Investor
  • Ellwood City, PA
  • Posts 93
  • Votes 124
Quote from @Preston Gealy:

So I have a great fix and flip deal under contract in a hot area in Pittsburgh. The contract states that we must obey municipal requirements to transfer the property at closing. The municipality required an occupancy inspection and they found some downspouts that need rerouted away from the sewer. The seller is unwilling to do the work or pay to have it changed. We got a quote for $1600 to remedy the issue. Should I force the seller to pay full, half, or jump ship and look for another deal?

Hey Preston... I own a bunch on houses near you. For the sakenof $1,600 I'd not worry too much about it and keep the deal, they're hard to come by these days. I just bought a house in Sharon and found out it was condemed month before but neither the city nor the seller said anything. It took a ton of maneuvering and negotiation to get the city to allow us to work on it, amd about $10,000 in rehab overspend to remediate the city's issues. I wish it was $1,600!!




Post: Promissory Note for Using OPM

David GarnerPosted
  • Investor
  • Ellwood City, PA
  • Posts 93
  • Votes 124
Quote from @Tyler Lingle:

Hi guys, I'm an agent in Indianapolis and honestly I'm pretty tired of helping OOS investors buy there own rentals. I'm starting my own business which will buy rentals / value add properties, and use other people's money to fund at a 10% interest. I'm mainly looking for any wisdom from others who have used promissory notes, secured by a property, and how they structured that. Do you do interest only payments? What happens when they want to pull all their money out? How often do you pay them interest? And, if I'm buying them with an LLC do you guys have experience getting a mortgage with an LLC?


Hey Tyler... well.dome for taking positive action for yourself. I've used OPM to buy over 100 houses since 2016. I use a note/deed specifc to my market (state). I use private money to buy, then I refi with either another private lender, or a commercial lender. I offer terms to suit the deal. If its a fully renovated house then I pay my lender a startup 9% with monthly interest. If its a rehab loan, then I pay more and sometime also structure in points at the front and/or back end.

Post: Differences between Fix & Flip vs BRRRR Method

David GarnerPosted
  • Investor
  • Ellwood City, PA
  • Posts 93
  • Votes 124
Quote from @Edmond Thorpe:

I recently have went back to the very beginning of the Bigger Pockets podcasts. With all the information, I believe that I would like to start executing the BRRRR Method. So I was wondering if there are any big differences between the standard Fix & Flip method, compared to the BRRRR Method? Any information will be a great help.

Hey Edmond... well done on making a choice and taking positive action! In my experience, operationally speaking at least, the main differences will be the type of house and location you buy, amd the level of rehab you do. In my market, some streets are Flips streets, amd some are rental streets.

You might find small starter homes are in high demand from buyers, while big 4 bed houses are great rentals, all in the same area.

Buy what's right for the local marker and your plan.

Good luck,

DG