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All Forum Posts by: David Garner

David Garner has started 4 posts and replied 92 times.

Post: Struggling To Find The Path To Passive Income

David GarnerPosted
  • Investor
  • Ellwood City, PA
  • Posts 93
  • Votes 124
Quote from @Steven Rosenfeld:

Thanks David - I do appreciate that owning and managing a lot of rental properties can be far from a passive income experience! 

Private Lending and REIT investing seem not much different to me than stock/bond investing. What kind of ROI can I expect since I won't be able to leverage up? And then I'm not owning an asset that has tax advantages and can appreciate. I'm new to this so I've no doubt I'm missing something, but thats my initial reaction.


 Hey Steven... you're absolutely right. In many cases, if you want 'passive' then there are tradeoffs. It's pretty difficult to find ALL the perks of RE (tax advantages, leverage etc. as you pointed out) while still being passive. I think the closest you'll come is investing in syndications as an LP.

DG

Post: Struggling To Find The Path To Passive Income

David GarnerPosted
  • Investor
  • Ellwood City, PA
  • Posts 93
  • Votes 124
Quote from @Steven Rosenfeld:

I did W2 for 30 years as in corporate IT. Dabbled in real estate but never went for it big time - bought and sold a few primary residences and a couple of condos over the years. Now I'm 56 and hoping to never work for anyone again. I've got $2 million in an IRA (invested in mutual funds), $300K in investable cash, and $200K in reserves. I'd love to take that $300K and build up some passive income of $50-100K annually. I also got my real estate license during the pandemic but I am not into being a real estate sales agent. My wife has a great income and covers half our costs but we live in the NYC metro area, so expensive. Considering all of these variables, WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU WERE IN MY SITUATION? Would you invest in some cash flowing (if they still exist) properties and start up the road of passive income from real estate? Is it too late for someone like me to make this happen?


 Hey Steven

Just my 2 cents worth... if it were me, I'd personally be looking for private lending deals and performing notes with good quality borrowers. 

I own more than 100 rentals now... its not passive. My lending investments by comparison take WAY less active management.

For arguments sake, I'd also throw syndications in the mix if you can find a GP/project you like.

And don't forget REITs... there are some good monthly income payers put there.
Good luck

DG

Post: I called the bank to get a mortgage, it was an odd experience

David GarnerPosted
  • Investor
  • Ellwood City, PA
  • Posts 93
  • Votes 124
Quote from @J. Pablo Fernández:

Hello,

I have a company, an LLC, that has owned a property for 5 years, which has been cashflowing for 5 years, and appreciated in value a lot during that time. I was using Bank of America as my bank, so they can see the money coming into the account and piling up. I call them to get a mortgage on that property to use the money to buy another. Their answer was "We don't offer loans to companies unless their revenue is 100k/year or more". I don't think we are talking about the same things at all. That sounds like unsecured loans. It's like they didn't know mortgages exist.

They told me to go talk with personal banking (not an option to me because I'm not a US person, I don't have a SSN or credit history).

Is this correct, banks just don't offer mortgages to commercial entities to the point where their workers don't even have them in their radar? I feel like this can't be the case, but it's not my first time attempting this, and I feel like I'm doing something wrong.

Hey Pablo

Non-citizen investor here! I have found there are lots of commercial lenders that will originate loans to non-citizens. I have never found an actual institutional bank that will do so.

You are best to search around for commercial mortgage brokers that have access to these types of private lenders and start asking about their programs.

Rates vary... amd right now may well be different from the last time I looked at it due to the wider interest rate situation, but you will be looking at 5.75% to 7.5% depending on the LTV and DSCR in my more recent experience.

Hope that helps, and good luck.

DG

Post: LET'S TALK ABOUT: Cash-flow optimization

David GarnerPosted
  • Investor
  • Ellwood City, PA
  • Posts 93
  • Votes 124
Quote from @Andrew West:

Okay,

Admittedly, I don't hang out in every corner of the BP-verse, but from what I can tell, there's a very under-discussed topic, that we need to be talking more about.

Maximizing cash flow on currently owned properties 

So much is said about "finding the next deal" and hustling to acquire new properties to add to our portfolios to grow our cash flow. But that takes MONEY! And yes: Money is everywhere and there are always solutions to getting more capital for more deals (creative financing, BRRRs, blah-blah-blah). That's all great.

But, you know what's free and can grow our cash flow just as fast (if not faster)? Focusing on maximizing the returns on what we already own. It's a false assumption that the cash flow we achieve when closing the deal, is the most we're gonna get. It's NOT.

In my opinion, this is one of the superpowers of real estate investing, and I just learned it on accident. Quick case study from my experience:

We closed a triplex outside metro Detroit. Cash flow at acquisition: $475/month. Over 10-months, and some tenant turnover, we've been able to increase the rent in all 3 units. And, in shopping around for insurance, I was able to switch insurance carriers and slash the annual insurance premium in HALF (while keeping the exact same coverage). When all was said and done, the cash flow increased to $932/month. So, we effectively DOUBLED our cash flow on the property in less than a year....FOR FREE. We could've doubled our cash flow by spending time and money locking down another, similar property (and believe me, we're still looking for these!), but we just did the same thing in a fraction of the time, and for no money at all.

In reality, the ways of maximizing cash flow are limited. There's only so many line items in a property's P&L. You can either increase rent, or decrease expenses in order to improve cash flow. But I'm curious, what strategies have worked for you in optimizing the cash flow on a single property? What success stories do you have to share with the community?

Great Post, Andrew!

I just saved about 45% on my insurance premium. That's stacks up pretty high with 100+ houses with fairly thin cashflow margins.

Right now, I am passing that saving on to my tenants by not increasing rents this year. I have great paying tenants (mostly), so keeping them happy and paying on time while everything else in their lives is getting more expensive is my personal choice based on my own experience to date.

I think my point is that... yes, you are so right, there are a ton of ways to improve your cashflow that most people forget to focus on... AND there are different things you can do with those improvements depending what's right for you and your market and tenants at the time.

In this case, I'm still pocketing the insurance saving, while I'm not making my tenants situation worse (and therefore potentially mine) while inflation is hurting them (most are low to middle income).

Kudos to you for raising this important point.

DG


Post: Taking Action in Investing

David GarnerPosted
  • Investor
  • Ellwood City, PA
  • Posts 93
  • Votes 124
Quote from @Logan McKay Zylstra:

I have been reading a lot of new investors' posts where at some point in the post they write "I am interested in..." or "I am highly interested in..." and then proceed to name the strategy that appeals to them. While there is nothing inherently wrong with these statements, I think these people should be saying "I will be investing in..." strategy.

Take the possibility out of these statements. Make definitive statements while trying to learn more. Too many people talk about investing and never actually do it. I think this mental shift could be helpful to someone.

Totally agree with you, Logan. Great post!

DG
Quote from @George Sayakhammy:

Whats the max LTV are you guys seeing out there for private lenders, bridge lenders etc; and what credit requirements if any or even lenders that don't require any credit.

Hey George... in our private lending program, our lenders go to 65% to 70% of as-is value for no-rehab rental/bridge loans. If its a pre-rehab property, its 80% of contract plus 100% of rehab.

Hope that helps.

Good luck.

DG

Post: Occupancy inspection woes

David GarnerPosted
  • Investor
  • Ellwood City, PA
  • Posts 93
  • Votes 124
Quote from @Preston Gealy:

@David Garner we ended up closing on the subject house yesterday. It was like you said, an inherited house that they were not motivated to do the rehab work to make it half decent. Thank you all for the advice. The seller ended up paying half of all the occupancy inspection items so it was good!

That's awesome, man... congrats!

Good luck with the rest of the project.

DG

Post: Estimating Repair & CapEx Reserves for Different Age Propterties

David GarnerPosted
  • Investor
  • Ellwood City, PA
  • Posts 93
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Quote from @Wade Luhman:

Hi Everyone,

When running your numbers on single family homes for long term rentals do you change your regular maintenance and CapEx reserve numbers when looking at homes of different ages? For example, a home built in the 1950's/1960's versus one built in the 1980's/1990's (assume both are in decent condition that could be rented as-is, but have not been remodeled).

I realize there can be a lot of factors that play into this, but I have currently been running the numbers about the same way for almost all the properties I have been looking at. I feel that when I start adjusting things I am trying to "make" a deal when the numbers don't look that good. I am currently budgeting for 10% of monthly rent for CapEx reserves and 7.5% for regular maintenance, but don't have any properties yet to compare real numbers.

Thanks

Hey Wade... Great question.

For me, I buy houses dated from about 1920 to 1960 in my markets. I've learned over time that it's very subjective when estimated rehab, maintenace and capex. 

I've bought houses from the 60's that needed new everything, and others from the turn of the 20th century that needed almost nothing. It just depends on how that home has been maintained over the years.

I have also rehabbed homes very well, only to have constant maintenace issues. There are always things you can't see that might be on the verge of failing.

Of course, there are trends. So as you rightly point out its a good idea to allocate a little extra for an older house, but then that gets validated or otherwise when my contracting team get in there to produce theor scope of work.

Now we've done more than 100 of these deals on the same streets, we've kind of got it down to a fine art that's backed up by a proven process to validate our numbers as best as possible.

My advice is... expect the unexpected, very few projects will go entirely to plan, so have some contingency funds for any overage (I budget 10% of the SoW).

Good luck!

DG



Post: Rates & closing speed of average lenders?

David GarnerPosted
  • Investor
  • Ellwood City, PA
  • Posts 93
  • Votes 124
Quote from @Matthew Rice:

What is a good average of rates and closing speed that you guys see in your private lenders? I'd love to leanr more about good standards and connect with investors!

Matt

Hey Matt

I use PMLs for all my deals, over 100 since August 2016. 

My lenders are usually able to fund immediately. Sometimes there's some admin if there's an IRA custodian involved, but once the Funding Agreement is signed its normally just title that holds things up.

Right now my deals take about 2 to 3 weeks to close due to city Inspections and title work.

DG

Post: Earning 100k vs borrowing 100k?

David GarnerPosted
  • Investor
  • Ellwood City, PA
  • Posts 93
  • Votes 124
Quote from @Anthony Cole:

Hey @David Garner thanks for the advice, appreciate you weighing in. So you're actually supporting the borrow rather than earn model. 

You're right about the assets providing enough profit to repay the debts along with the need to cover your day to day expenses.  

We currently have 6 doors, they pay for the borrowed money along with generating about 1/8 of our day to day expenses. At this rate we'll need about 48 doors to cover the debt and our personal lifestyle. 

Thanks and congrats on all your success!


 That's the to do it, for me at least. Everyone's different of course, but it definitely sounds ds like you guys have a plan that's working for you.

For me... when I got me model right, I started looking at how I could improve profitability by identifying pain points and bottlenecks I.e. fi D cheaper or more accessible money, find cheap properties, make rehab more efficient and cost effective, vet tenants better, I prove record and bookkeeping.All that stuff adds a few dollars to your bottom line here and there, amd before you know it you only need 40 deals not 48. 

Good luck man, keep train rolling, amd dont be afraid to pivot with the market.

DG