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All Forum Posts by: Collin Hays

Collin Hays has started 113 posts and replied 2330 times.

Post: Happy hour get-together

Collin Hays
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I could do a zoom call happy hour.  ;)

Post: Networking: Finding & creating unique vacation rental opportunities

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Andrew is the man for Florida!

Post: Ski Areas - STR Markets

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Quote from @Candice De:

@Chad Martin I agree with the previous comments that 2020 has seen unprecedented demand, and it is not likely to subside any time soon. I still believe there is pent up demand for STR from people being in their homes and not flying. I can also attest to prices going through the roof. I am in Frisco, and the lowest listing right now is $1M. That is a lot of rental nights!

It subsided.

Post: The Myth of Cash Flow

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Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Collin Hays:
Quote from @Michael Baum:
Quote from @Collin Hays:
Quote from @Michael Baum:

I read it, but I did have some disagreements. I don't like anything that loses money every month expecting/hoping that I will make it up with appreciation.


I don't know that it is "losing money".  A 401K isn't producing any monthly cashflow, yet we dutifully dump $1,000 a month in it for 30 years, hoping there is a pot at the end of the rainbow.  Never think twice about it.

If we are making some or all of a mortgage payment for a few years on a vacation rental, it's only the interest that is lost - the rest is paying off the asset, all while the asset continues to go up in value through the years.

I hear ya man, but I want something that is flowing positive in addition to any appreciation. Right now there are areas of the country that are slowly depreciating at a 2.5% rate. You just never know!

 You are right. I bought my first cabin in 2005. Negative cash flow for several years. Then the financial crisis, and the value of it dropped in half. But here I am, the thing is paid off and lots of cash flow, worth 3X what I paid.

To your question, to Michael's point about depreciating real estate and to your point about this 3x. This is what I mean that real estate is inelastic in primo areas.

Real estate isn't about the $117/mo it nets after expenses or whatever nonsense folks worry about. Real estate got the early fools in based off that initial cash flow; they're no genius, they just gravitated to the lowest hanging fruit for money. That happened to be the inflection point of low rates + phys RE pricing reset. Now, we're back to normalcy in rates, less normalcy in supply(in key areas) and inverse(in dreadful areas).

Invest  prudently and in quality. Risk is what you pay, not always just what you buy.


 Some great points. 

Post: How We Increased STR Occupancy from 60% to 90% in 3 Months (Lessons Learned)

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Great job!  

Post: Inflatable hot tub for STR

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Quote from @Andrew Steffens:

No, we have used inflatable mattresses in a pinch and they last about a week.  I would expect the same for a hot tub.


Yeah an inflatable anything probably won’t have a happy ending.

Post: The Myth of Cash Flow

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Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Collin Hays:

I got a chance to read this over lunch today, and it really hit home some excellent points about investing in real estate.  Thought I would pass it along.

The Myth of Cash Flow


Hopefully, I don't come off like a broken record when I say these things. But the investing for cash flow logic was only around for two reasons to put together at 20-25% down-- as it now is, and always will be a function of debt in the deal

1) Centurial---not generational--but centurial issue with physical real estate asset prices.
2) America's desperate attempt to re-ignite inflation with historically, and also possibly centurial if at minimum generational, policy on fed funds rates.

Those two made physical RE have intrinsic properties from 2010-2017. 2-3 years prior and after that it will be less intrinsic but still resemble it, as it fades.

People need to stop thinking this is the norm, this is the outlier. Welcome to the reversion of the mean.

For how to invest in RE, it's going to be inelastic in nature and have real runway moments more often than not in primo areas. Prioritize quality + keep reserves for Opex + capex. Scale is in form of quality equity not nonsense quantity.


 That's some big words. Can you scale it down for me?

Post: Mike's Deal of the Day - February 26th 2025

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Nice find! 

Post: Furnishings Tax Question

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You can spend from a few thousand to a hundred thousand, depending on the look and feel you are trying to achieve. We manage log cabins primarily, so a used log bed is as good as a new one.  A vintage hickory dining set found on FB Marketplace is far better than a fake set from the furniture store. A gently used Ralph Lauren leather sofa is far better than a new one from Ashley Furniture.  An antique persian rug made of wool is vastly superior to a nylon one from Lowe's.  

We do lots of gathering of nice items from FB Marketplace.  

Post: Pools and hot tubs

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We drain our hot tubs between guests. That takes all of the fuss out of it.