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All Forum Posts by: Collin Hays

Collin Hays has started 132 posts and replied 2654 times.

Post: Panic sales starting to pop up in the Smokies: Approved short sales

Collin Hays
#4 Short-Term & Vacation Rental Discussions Contributor
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That’s a real cabin real logs and a real fireplace. Most of what you find in the Smokies is fake. 
Genuine imitation. 

Post: Panic sales starting to pop up in the Smokies: Approved short sales

Collin Hays
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Quote from @Bill B.:

Is this in an area you manage? What do you think of the area compared to other local areas? If so what’s your very rough ballpark on nightly rate, yearly income gross/net?  Does it make sense at this price? Or are better deals yet to come?

Tennessee and South Dakota are about the only other states without income taxes I’d probably consider. And I’m not excited about SD weather. How close can you fly in commercial?

-Thanks for the timely updates.  They’re both informative and entertaining. 

The numbers probably don’t start working until the price is $500K.  So the next buyer probably will have to sell it, too. 

Post: Panic sales starting to pop up in the Smokies: Approved short sales

Collin Hays
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Quote from @Bill B.:

It looks very nice, but still seems expensive to someone who doesn't know the market. Are the new Airbnb rules/emulations at least partially to blame for accelerating the collapse? I don't do any STR but the last Kathy retake podcast I listened to talked about a lot of bad changes.

Pay nothing or a small portion to hold the property until 3 days before stay and then cancel without penalty.

Allow credit card charge back months later even with no complaints and Airbnb still gets paid. 

Airbnb can hold your payments for violations they think you committed without telling you what violation, when you’ll get money, or when it will resolved. 

Again no experience with them/this but sounds like they’ve decided they’re the only game in town and screw the hosts, they’re going to make more money. 

The environment for investors has become increasingly hostile over the last three years, primarily cash grabs from the booking platforms, counties, municipalities, insurance companies, and even utility companies.

Everyone is making a grab, leaving the investor with less and less.  But the greed monster always ultimately consumes itself, new players emerge, and the game resets, albeit often in a different form.

Post: Panic sales starting to pop up in the Smokies: Approved short sales

Collin Hays
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Quote from @John Underwood:
Quote from @Collin Hays:

I assumed we would start seeing this as the summer peak neared.  I predict the market will be flooded with these types of listings by the end of August, with things getting really ugly as the end of year approaches. 

This home is now an "approved short sale", which means the owner owes more than it is worth, and the bank is willing to allow them to sell it "short" (below what the loan is), and eat the rest.  This sold for $850K in 2022 brand new.


3453 Laurel Ridge Way, Sevierville, TN 37862 [Updated 7/11]


Says its a "high performing STR".

Must not be that high performing.


 It will be once the price gets right.  🤣

Post: Panic sales starting to pop up in the Smokies: Approved short sales

Collin Hays
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I assumed we would start seeing this as the summer peak neared.  I predict the market will be flooded with these types of listings by the end of August, with things getting really ugly as the end of year approaches. 

This home is now an "approved short sale", which means the owner owes more than it is worth, and the bank is willing to allow them to sell it "short" (below what the loan is), and eat the rest.  This sold for $850K in 2022 brand new.


3453 Laurel Ridge Way, Sevierville, TN 37862 [Updated 7/11]

Post: Vrbo has a 10% discount for using the phone app.

Collin Hays
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So they are discounting my rent for a guest to use THEIR app?  

I'll give them a 10 percent discount to use MY app, but not their's.  ;)

Post: Some good news from the Smokies!

Collin Hays
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August continuing to look strong!

Post: Advice on buying STR investment, $800k budget, in Pinellas Co, Florida.

Collin Hays
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What is the insurance market there currently? Can one insure a rental at an affordable price?

Post: STR/ Hotel Tax Reconciliation

Collin Hays
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For a small portfolio, I would suggest something like vacationrentaldesk.com.  

Post: A June post-mortem

Collin Hays
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Was business down?  Yes. Yes it was.  But we ended up in June with occupancy only 2.6% below June 2024.  Yet our average daily rate of $189 was off significantly from the $218 average daily rate in June 2024.  About 15%.

July is shaping up similar.  Total reserved nights are off just a little, but the average daily rate is off about 18 percent.

August is interesting.  Similar reserved nights AND average daily rate from August 2024.