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All Forum Posts by: Cian R.

Cian R. has started 14 posts and replied 71 times.

@Andrew Postell the problem with basing the HELOC, or any loan, on the purchase price is that it was purchased at foreclosure for a 30% discount. And I need the same amount again to complete the renovation (100% of the purchase price or 70% of the pre-renovation value). That's what is making it tricky.

@Andrew Postell it will be my primary residence once the renovation is complete. It's a four-family but I will keep one of the units and rent the other three. 

@Kerry Baird @Andrew Postell

I spoke to six different lenders and I seem to be hitting the following roadblocks when it comes to a HELOC:

  • 1. Property must be fully livable / already living there 
  • 2. HELOC is based on the purchase price, not the appraised value, for the first 12 months following the purchase
  • 3. Won't lend against a property held under an LLC (need to speak to their small businesses department)

It seems that a Rehab loan may be better suited for what I'm trying to accomplish. So I will have to start researching that route. As Andrew pointed out, this will mean that I only have to do one round of financing and not two (HELOC and mortgage). My first question is if they will do interest-only payments for the first 12 months with a 30-year rehab loan.

Originally posted by @Andrew Postell:

@Cian R. ah, so if you got a 30 year renovation loan now...you don't have to refinance later. It's based on the ARV of the property so you would not have 2 refinance steps. But using the Line of Credit option is also fine, especially if you need to pay back your purchase money. If you have trouble finding a lender that will do that check back in and we can brainstorm some more. Thanks!

Thanks Andrew, I didn't realize that the 30-year renovation loan is based on the ARV. That would definitely seem to save me a step. Is there typically an option to do interest-only payments for up to 12 months?

One upside to doing the HELOC, if I can qualify, is that I can use it to help fund future projects after this current project has been paid down.

Hi all, does anyone have any experience with Rehab Loans? Are they more beneficial than a HELOC? I'm asking because my Lender suggested I go down that route seeing as I purchased the property only 60 days ago.

@Andrew Postell @Polo Vazquez 

Andrew, that was extremely helpful, thank you!

Post: Heloc on investment property

Cian R.Posted
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  • Votes 22
Originally posted by @Steven Griffith:

@Dejuan Calloway

Hello! I'm sure others have much more experience to draw on, but I actually have this exact same question. In fact, coincidentally, I actually went into two major banks today to talk to both Loan Officers about this exact issue. Here's what I was told:

Bank 1 - This is my primary back where I have had my checking/savings for 4 years. Their answer was: No, they won't do a heloc on a rental property unless it's classified as a second home. To be classified as such, it would need to be primarily air bnb or another short term rental. Since I have renters full time, with a lease, it doesn't qualify so they won't do a HELOC. The loan officer encouraged me to refinance instead and take the cash out since I have significant equity in the house. Im not interested in this though bc my original morthage has an interest of 3.5%.

Bank 2 - This is the bank that bought my original loan and now hold my rebtal property mortgage. They said: Yes, they will do a HELOC, but with a much lower LTV - 60% instead of the 75 - 89% advertised elsewhere.

I have not yet approached smaller banks or credit unions, although I plan to just to hear their response and rates.

I'll be following this post quite closely - thanks everyone in advance for your insights!

Hi Steven, were you able to secure your HELOC? I am beginning that process now and don't know where to start!

@Jon Schwartz I'm looking into taking out a HELOC to fund a BRRRR. After shopping around, who do you feel provided the best offer?

Originally posted by @Andrew Postell:

@Cian R. since this is the BRRRR method forum....what's your plan on the REFINANCE step? Meaning, if you have to pay closing costs on your refinance step...why not just get a 30 year fixed renovation loan now?

Hi Andrew,

That is a great question. I am considering simply taking out the 30-year fixed renovation loan now instead of doing the HELOC. But I ultimately want to take out a 30-year mortgage on the POST-renovation value. And my understanding is that the closing costs on a HELOC are substantially lower than a 30-year renovation loan. So rather than pay closing costs on:

1 - A 30-year renovation loan now

2 - A 30-year mortgage at refi post-renovation 

I would instead pay closing costs on: 

1 - A HELOC

2 - A 30-year mortgage at refi post-renovation

What do you think? Is there something that I'm overlooking?

Post: Financing a Renovation

Cian R.Posted
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  • Votes 22

Thanks Kerry! I could split the minimum monthly payment over two separate payments per month. And yes, that's great advice - the key here is to ensure that the DTI stays in balance.