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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 2 posts and replied 109 times.

Post: Morris invest TEXAS

Account ClosedPosted
  • Fairfax, MO
  • Posts 113
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Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @James Wise:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @James Wise:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

https://www.youtube.com/post/U...  Looks like Mr. Morris has flown into Texas and has a new gig. 

@James Wise

 lol 1st two comments are priceless.

 Anyone notice how young each and every person in the van is? Reminds me of those groups of young people recruited to go out and sell door to door.

I'd feel safer huffing people's coughs in Wuhan, China than working for Clayton Morris.

 Yea...people get suckered all the time by bad players. I mean, if you take an honest and comprehensive look at society and all the places where a racket exists and we all go along with it, it's pretty staggering really. Another view on that is it's good for the economy, a little destruction that is, inefficiency. And yet, we have more of everything everyday despite that. At least here in the US.

It's actually just a bit too easy. Finding a sucker to go along that is. They say there's one born everyday, I wonder if that might be more like one every minute, every second maybe?

I happen to think the reason is fear and pride. Fear of the truth. Fear of accepting what must be done in the light of the truth. Too prideful to admit we are gullible and stupid. Powerful emotions those are. And of course, in the end, we are all slaves to our stomach, the most powerful master we face in our time here. That tends to sway people away from doing "the right thing".

Everyday, day after day, there are new people coming on BP and wanting in this game. They have no idea why or how or what to do. They seek some dream, and their course is plotted in this direction. The tree of suckers is so ripe, so plentiful, so endless. How do you suppose all the Clayton Morris's of the world are ever going to be able to resist that? Think of a drug addict that might wake up in the morning and their favorite vice is waiting for them on their nightstand.

That picture says it all really. Every one of those people is beaming with joy and hope and excitement. My favorite is the blond girl at the back that is smiling and staring out the window as she dreams beyond the moment. Clayton will never run short of feeding his vice. (the blond girl in the front seat looks a lot like the gal from Cooks Country on PBS)

I love that you and Jay have taken on this battle. I suspect you both also understand exactly what I just said, and take the battle on anyways - I find that admirable. Ironically, I also think Clayton is right about you in a way, that the only thing you might accomplish with all of this is self-promotion. Maybe he's not so dumb after all, just an evil ****er. And maybe, just maybe, not even that.

But truly, is there anything wrong with making a buck while exploiting evil and steering people in a better direction? Not to me. I say bravo. I say what else can we do? We all have to eat, everyday.

There is an opportunity for firms like yours right now in this space. I've thought about entering it myself. Pretty much for all the same reasons. Opportunity, wealth, do-gooding. The only real difference between you or myself and Clayton is the last part of do-gooding. And maybe, just maybe, Clayton actually believes he is doing good for people. I mean, go back to the first thing I said, pride and fear. People lie to themselves all the time. People might even lie to themselves more than they lie to others. I'd say that makes a person more of a fool than evil. I won't be surprised if that's the defense if Clayton ever gets his day in court.

LOL - Someone should write a book on how to not get scammed. Heck, someone probably already has. I wonder how the sales of that book stack up to the sales of "get rich in a day in real estate".

My two cents? (well, three or four at this point) Just don't let this ****er consume you my friend.

And I'll leave this commentary with a final thought about our friend Clayton. A person need not serve others to make lots of money investing in real estate. In fact, most players serve only themselves. And yet, after failing at serving others in a grand way, Clayton has decided to pick up right where he left off and continue down that path anyways. To me, that says it all about the sort of person Clayton is. In some past Asian cultures, if you acted dishonorably, the only honorable thing to do would be commit suicide. I'm not saying I think Clayton should do that of course, I'm just pointing out that after failing others, instead of giving that up because he's clearly not qualified, he's deciding to give it another go.

I am not taking on the Battle.. just giving my personal opinions based on 4 decades of buying selling and brokering real estate and building new construction .. developing communities etc..  Jim is taking the fight to Morris with his investigative reporting. 

I know. And I (we all) love you for it. Which reminds me to send a check to your charity. I'll get my pen and checkbook out now before I forget again.

deeply appreciate any donations..  U can make them on line with pay pal !!!  the more I look at that photo in the van it does not seem real IE those are real investors.. I have been on many a bus tour with operators and that is not the normal demographic.

 Yeah - and what exactly is an "office team"? Are they employees or investors?

Post: Are There More Pictures of Morris Invest Houses?

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  • Fairfax, MO
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Clayton Morris called the HR department of my employer on Feb 12th. He told the HR manager that I have been harassing him online and making threatening and violent comments against him. I took the opportunity to explain what a fraud this douchebag is. We had a good laugh. I told HR the next time he calls to just send the call over to me. And if you want to talk to me directly Clayton, my extension is 318.

Post: Morris invest TEXAS

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Clayton Morris called the HR department of my employer on Feb 12th. He told the HR manager that I have been harassing him online and making threatening and violent comments against him. I took the opportunity to explain what a fraud this douchebag is. We had a good laugh. I told HR the next time he calls to just send the call over to me. And if you want to talk to me directly Clayton, my extension is 318.

Post: Morris Invest - Is it safe?

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  • Fairfax, MO
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Originally posted by @Levi NA:

Hello everyone

I am an investor newbie, looking to make my first deal. Doing research, i saw content from Morris Invest, and immediately thought it would be a good fit because it would take away risk for mistakes.

I have a call scheduled with them this Friday. Last night night i was on YouTube looking at vids, and i happened to stumble on a video by HoltonWise that basically says they are being sued for fraud. Something about 80+ houses having major issues due to possible negligence.

I am really sad to hear this because i was very sold that i might have found something solid to change my future and possibly my family tree.

I hope its not true, does anyone know if this is a legit business? Are there any comparable and reputable companies like this I can reach out too?

Thank you, I sincerely appreciate you time and advice.

 Here's another video worth watching - from Mark Ferguson on the InvestFourMore YouTube channel:

Did Clayton Morris and Morris Invest Scam Turn-key Real Estate Investors?

Post: Morris Invest - Is it safe?

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All the negative press you've read about Morris Invest is true. He's a con man and a lair. Thank your lucky stars that you came across BP to find the truth because Morris white-washes his online presence.

Here are links to the Holton-Wise documentary as well as a follow up video:

Documentary

Follow up

Best of luck out there...

Post: Clayton Morris / Morris Invest House of Cards starting to fall.

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  • Fairfax, MO
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Originally posted by @Jim K.:
Originally posted by @Sandra PIrtle:

I just went onto the Morris Invest website. I was shocked to see that he is still running the same Ponzi scam he was before. Won't he every be stopped? 

My real estate guy just did a face time call with me showing what one of Clayton Morris "Hard Working Blue Collar" workers have done to one of my houses. I have managed to get rid of six of the houses and the rest are on the market. I am hoping to salvage a little of what he ripped me off for. 

James I think you need to start a new thread. When I found this one it looked as if it were 10 months old. I think folks need to see that this an on going battle against Clayton Morris. 

Ms. Pirtle, thank you for coming forward. I was moved and angered by your story.

I'm pretty sure shutting Jim up is a such a priority because his videos have completely undermined the technical viability of Morris's conman business model going forward. You can't do a simple Google search on Clayton Morris without Jim's videos popping out front and center. The news stories will be deprecated in Google's search results as time passes. Jim's videos will instead be boosted in the ranking. Morris likely believes he can wait the stories out, but he understands he can't wait the videos out.

I also believe there's an emotional component to Jim's work that Morris, as a long-time media professional, understands is more threatening to his business model than news stories. Morris has hundreds of podcasts and dozens of videos out on the Internet. Someone could still read the news stories but brainwash themselves into believing Morris's lies through listening to Morris's content. The probability of that happening drops much lower when YOUR voice is heard, when the actual victims get a chance to speak. There's a saying in journalism: "If it bleeds, it leads." It's hard to ignore what happened to you when a listener hears it in your own words.

But I think that for Morris the most terrifying aspect of Jim's work, especially the 3-hour video breaking down the scam, is that no reasonable adult who watches it with some attention could possibly doubt the prosecutable nature of what happened. Morris demonstrably signed contracts to broker properties without a license, and then lied about it ineptly in the videos. His signatures on the documents Jim presents is irrefutable proof that Morris broke the law. I think Morris knows this very well and seeing it throws him into a panic. I suspect there are even more contracts out there. Each one adds to his culpability. If any of his children ever learn of that video when they reach an age when they can understand it, Morris will never be able to explain away his actions to them. All Morris's friends and former business contacts now want nothing to do with him. The video makes it impossible to present himself in the future with any credibility whatsoever to anyone else, possible friends, possible investors, sympathetic journalists, his childrens' school administrators. I think Morris lies awake at night trying to think around this, and has reached the obvious conclusion that Jim and his work is the biggest obstacle standing between Morris and any sort of normal social existence for the rest of his sorry life. His infamy is simply laid too bare in the videos.

 Very well said, Jim. My question is this: If there is 'irrefutable proof that Morris broke the law', why isn't he in jail?

Post: Oceanpointe (and Morris Invest) Property Management Problems

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Originally posted by @Liliana Ruano:

Quick update: We were able to sell the property in Indiana.  We sold it for a (very) slight 'profit' from purchase, but we are still in the negative due to rehabbing costs we had to do last year.  All in all though, I am happy we no longer have to deal with that property.  We are set to close on a property in Cameron, NC which will give us very good returns.  

 I'm glad you made it out in relatively good shape!

Post: New Invester Starting Around Military Bases

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Stay away from Morris Invest. 

Post: Clayton Morris seeks over $7 Million from James Wise for Film

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Originally posted by @James Wise:
Originally posted by @Kristopher Hanks:

@James Wise

CASE UPDATE:

"The amount of Clayton Morris information and Morris Invest internal documents you guys have been sending to me over the last 24 hours is great, keep it coming. Signed purchase agreements, damning emails from Clayton Morris etc... This is all very important for the case. Love seeing BP nation come together like this."

We can not sit idly by and allow the real estate investment industry to be completely destroyed by people that are this selfish. Imagine what the tenants of those houses think of real estate investors, especially landlords, now. You will never be able to convince them that there are good people out there that are just trying to provide them with a nice, clean, and safe place to live for an affordable price. This type of behavior creates more enemies of the real estate investor, and will eventually bring down more costly regulation onto the investors. It's in our best interests to weed out all non-hackers who do not pack the gear to serve in our beloved corp! 

I had to invoke the power of Gunny Ermey in this instance. Carry on James! 

 The amount of evidence sent to me over the last few days is incredible. Not only for me winning my case against Clayton Morris which was in my opinion never something I doubted would happen but it seems as though a lot of it could be used against him in a criminal proceeding. There are several smoking guns that clearly show him personally lying to investors.

 Keep up the good fight!

Post: Clayton Morris seeks over $7 Million from James Wise for Film

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Originally posted by @James Wise:
Originally posted by @Dennis M.:

Can you imagine how many dilapidated slum houses he can buy in Indiana if he wins that 7 million ? You could practically buy all of Indianapolis with that much !  

 I don't see any realistic scenario where Clayton Morris gets $7 Million from me.

 But what about all the emotional distress you've caused him?!?!?