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All Forum Posts by: Chase McArthur

Chase McArthur has started 1 posts and replied 174 times.

Post: Multifamily Acquisition and Development Models - Pricing

Chase McArthurPosted
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  • Washington, DC
  • Posts 177
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@Daniel Reyes

Thank you, my pleasure. 

If you do decide to take my responses pool side, just be sure you have a stiff drink to wash it down, it'll be more enjoyable. 

I absolutely believe there is a market for this type of consulting. As far as charging by the hour, based off of my clients needs I could essentially ball park. Typically I would give them a minimum time frame and if I reached the limit and needed more time a simple addendum to the contract would buy me more time. As a show of good faith if I couldn't complete the underwriting in the allotted time I would discount my rate to accommodate the additional time requirements. Likewise, if I completed underwriting before expiration I would credit them the additional time that wasn't utilized. This was just good business as it illustrated integrity which only solidified future business. It didn't take me long to be able to eyeball a project and quote an accurate time for completion, just a product of experience. 

I was able to up-sell future business as well, by explaining to clients with larger projects that analysis isn't done just at the beginning of a project as a one and done. In order for you to successfully cross your horizon an analysis should be done at the minimum every 2-3 years. The reason for this is if your project is deviating from the original projection, you need to know why and how you can get it back on track. When you initially run an analysis for a project its considered a predictive analysis (what is likely to happen). If the project gets off track you would complete three other types of analysis; a descriptive analysis (what happened), a diagnostic analysis (why it happened) followed by a prescriptive analysis (how do we fix it). These can also be ran in order to duplicate a previously successful investment. 

Blah Blah another long winder! Hey, you opened this can!

Post: Property Analytics Program

Chase McArthurPosted
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  • Washington, DC
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@Anthony Quartucy

Costar baby! Yes it's an evil monopoly on property metrics but damn their good. You can find that info and more for almost every city and town in the country. If they sell real estate then Costar has the data for it. There is a caveat though...its insanely expensive!

Post: Multifamily Acquisition and Development Models - Pricing

Chase McArthurPosted
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  • Washington, DC
  • Posts 177
  • Votes 150

@Daniel Reyes

Being a professional underwriter myself, I have worked for both a family office and private equity groups. Although I was technically "employed" by the family office, I did offer consulting services to smaller independent investors as well as Tier 2 private equity groups. The bulk of my work was underwriting potential investment targets following the criteria that were specific to each target based off of the requirements of the partnerships. As a consultant it was much of the same thing as far as tailoring the projections based off of the clients needs. No matter how you look at it the numbers are the same, the specifics of each analysis are what mattered most, moreover which numbers meant the most to the clients.

Per your questions:

1) For the family office I was paid as any other W2 albeit very well. As a consultant I charged based off of the complexity of the investment, essentially scaling my fees accordingly. For smaller investment projects it was typically a flat fee, simply because I already knew how complex the analysis would be. For larger more dynamic projects that would require multiple analysis from varying strategies I would charge by the hour. A typical 5,7,10 analysis doesn't require an overwhelming amount of data in order to accurately project the overall asset performance. However, for more dynamic assets (i.e. mixed-use and hospitality) a very different approach must be taken simply because the amount of variables that determine asset performance. For those types of analysis you are essentially analyzing property performance along with BPM (business performance management). BPM's require a much deeper dive in order to produce accurate projections. Overall strategic and operational objectives have to be clearly defined to ensure that asset performance aligns with the calculated projections. In order to accurately analyze potential performance of business assets, contingency analysis must also be performed utilizing qualitative assumptions in order to predict appropriate responses to extrinsic variables. Very time consuming and a lot of data points, which is why I charged $125/hr for those types of assets, I was going to need it to pay for the truck load of tylenol from the mental exhaustion. that ensued.

2) I've never had a client second guess me and I always received smiley faces on my progress charts.

3)Cons: probably cost, if they know what they are doing it won't be cheap. Another potential con would be the risk of inaccurate projections due to amateur hour. Pros: If you have a great analyst then the major advantage is having a third party perspective of the project. Being emotionally unattached from a project allows a truly objective approach to the analysis hedging the possibility of bias. Numbers can lie, underestimating potential costs and losses are detrimental to true asset performance, quickly evaporating returns; this also applies to being overly optimistic.

4) As a sponsor, yes I do believe that it is imperative that everyone is playing for the same team. However, as I outlined in #3, a proper analysis should be completely objective. In some cases not knowing the investors objective produces a better overall analysis; case in point mulitfamily projects. Knowing the expectations can sometimes create pitfalls and inconsistencies in your numbers. A mulitfamily project will perform according to the market. An investor is relatively limited in their ability to drastically improve asset performance; there is a ceiling. Opportunistic and value add projects were the only assets that required significant input. However, for those projects it was a matter of optimizing the value add strategy in order to achieve the highest yielding ROI; this required knowing and understanding the objectives and how they planned to achieve them.

Sorry for the long winded response, it just so happens this is my favorite part of CRE investments. I tried to limit my response to 3000 characters otherwise I could've written you a book.

@Katie Jewell

You might also want to be sure that the realtor is competent. They may not have a clue as to how to market the property in that case you may want to assume the numbers are off.

Find out if you can get the OM, if there is one.

@Mike Mann

Check down the 81 corridor, Winchester, Harrisonburg (kind of high barrier to entry), Staunton, Roanoke, Blacksburg etc. Even Charlottesville is a solid growing market, great student housing opportunities.

Post: First Deal Structure

Chase McArthurPosted
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  • Washington, DC
  • Posts 177
  • Votes 150

@Jeffrey Ward

PM me the address. Let me look into the neighborhood and market rents and some other factors. I can tell you whether or not a potential investor would roll with it. Hell, I might write you a check.

Post: First Deal Structure

Chase McArthurPosted
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  • Washington, DC
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@Jeffrey Ward

Scratch that...haha my numbers are off as well. I'm tired, forgive me.

But either way you forgot to add closing costs into the initial investment. Also I would hope you would raise rents more than 1% a year.

Post: First Deal Structure

Chase McArthurPosted
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  • Washington, DC
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@Jeffrey Ward

Just at first glance here but...when does the investor get his initial investment back?

Down payment plus closing = $140,400

Cash flow plus appreciation only gives the investor $105,000 back.

So he lost $35,400 on the deal.

Post: How To Get Started WITH No Money?

Chase McArthurPosted
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@Sheila Campbell

Well forget that option, I just read youve already used it.

In that case find a partner whose AD and use theirs. The only bad part is 2 units would be occupied rent free which would drastically reduce your chances of creating positive cash flow.

Post: How To Get Started WITH No Money?

Chase McArthurPosted
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@Jason D.

@@Sheila Campbell

She has no money because shes AD Army. As prior service I know all to well her situation.

Sheila, another option specific to your situation is to house hack (buy a duplex, triplex, quadplex and live in one of the units while you rent out the other ones. You can use a VA loan up to 4 units as long as you live in one. Anything over 4 units is a commercial property and therefore disqualified for a VA.

The best part is no money down and up to $453k if your credit is good!