First Deal Structure

First Deal Structure

MD · Member since 2018 · 32 posts · 5 votes

I've been running some numbers on some properties, and I was wondering what is an attractive partnership for investors. Since I'm not looking at fix and flips, I think hard money is out of the question since there would be no good way to pay it back. Here's something that I looked at (6 units), but I have much larger and smaller ones that I've considered as well.

Current rent: $1278

Yearly values:

Gross income: $92,016, 10% vacancy, 55% expenses (initially)

NOI: $37,266

8% Cap Rate => $466,000 value

I need 25% down = $116,500

Loan costs: $23,900

Yearly return: $13,366

So I was thinking of structuring a partnership 70/30, where I "only" make 30% for finding the deal, getting it closed, and running the operation. They get 70% for funding it. That's $9356 per year or 8% return in cash flow paid quarterly. The exit strategy would look like maybe 5 years of slowly raising rents, and reducing expenses.

Exit: 

Rent $1350, 10% vacancy, 50% expenses, trying to sell at 8% cap rate of $550,000 roughly.

Profit: $84,000, Investor gets $58,800 + $46,780 cash flow = $105,580 = 91% return over 5 years. I feel these numbers are conservative, but I wouldn't want to promise more than is possible.

So, do these kind of numbers make sense? Or should I be trying to do something totally different?

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  • Specialist · Washington, DC · Member since 2019 · 177 posts · 150 votes
    7y

    @Jeffrey Ward

    Just at first glance here but...when does the investor get his initial investment back?

    Down payment plus closing = $140,400

    Cash flow plus appreciation only gives the investor $105,000 back.

    So he lost $35,400 on the deal.

  • Specialist · Washington, DC · Member since 2019 · 177 posts · 150 votes
    7y

    @Jeffrey Ward

    Scratch that...haha my numbers are off as well. I'm tired, forgive me.

    But either way you forgot to add closing costs into the initial investment. Also I would hope you would raise rents more than 1% a year.

  • MD · Member since 2018 · 32 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    @Chase McArthur Thanks!

    Yeah, because I didn't want to clutter the discussion with numbers, I washed out a bunch of stuff. There's equity buildup (from loan pay down, not from appreciation) and closing costs, which I just cancelled those two out with each other for the sake of discussion. I kept the rent increase super minimal to make it more than achievable. Expenses are probably aggressive, but keeps expectations reasonable. I'm more interested in if it looks like this is the sort of partnership or deal structure people are making now in this market.

    The investors do make a lot, but they are taking a risk funding someone. So is it enough? Is 70/30 a slap in the face to an investor or investors if the person doing the deal isn't putting up any skin in the game except sweat equity? Is there a common return people are looking for before they will even bother considering it? I don't know.

  • Charles SoperPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Merritt Island, FL · Member since 2015 · 253 posts · 178 votes
    7y

    This strikes me as a “friends and family” deal if you have no experience.  I don’t know any private lenders that would work with a rookie who brings nothing to the game but sweat equity, gotta have some skin in the game.  

    I struggled with this at first too but eventually saved enough cash to do a deal, it sucks but without getting creative in your financing you may struggle.

    You might consider things like seller financing or starting a wholesaling business to get the cash rolling in. That said money is cheap right now, with a little searching you can find HML's that will do 80-90% of purchase and 100% of rehab if there's enough room in the deal, Patch of Land comes to mind

  • Specialist · Washington, DC · Member since 2019 · 177 posts · 150 votes
    7y

    @Jeffrey Ward

    PM me the address. Let me look into the neighborhood and market rents and some other factors. I can tell you whether or not a potential investor would roll with it. Hell, I might write you a check.

  • Rental Property Investor · Durham, NC · Member since 2016 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    7y

    @Jeffrey Ward total rent on a 6 unit is 1278? That’s really low.

  • MD · Member since 2018 · 32 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    @Caleb Heimsoth That's an average monthly rent per unit. Which is where my yearly gross of $92,000 comes from.

  • Rental Property Investor · Durham, NC · Member since 2016 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    7y

    @Jeffrey Ward. On paper it doesn’t look to bad. Have you broken those expenses down into

    Specific items? Gotten quotes for insurance, looked up taxes, property management? What’s it worth as it sits?

    If this is a deal an investor would likely pay you a fee and then take all of the deal. So I wouldn’t get to overly concerned about getting Part of this deal.

  • MD · Member since 2018 · 32 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    @Caleb Heimsoth Interesting! How would that work? Would I submit an LOI and then shop it to investors if accepted? Basically, at what stage can you hand over the deal?

  • MD · Member since 2018 · 32 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    @Charles Soper I have looked into Patch of Land before and they don't really do business in Maryland. I also think a lot of those sites do a ton of due diligence so they don't get a bad reputation if things fall apart. I think someone doing their first deal would not qualify, though I could be wrong.

  • Rental Property Investor · Durham, NC · Member since 2016 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    7y

    @Jeffrey Ward. Typically this is where you’d probably wholesale it.

    There are different situations, I’m just saying I wouldn’t expect to get 30 percent of the deal

    For finding it. It’s expect to get a fee and that’s it.

  • Rental Property Investor · Teaneck, NJ · Member since 2016 · 567 posts · 291 votes
    7y

    @Jeffrey Ward I would go for seller financing on this deal if you do not have money for downpayment, or wholesale a few cash flowing properties like these to make some downpayment money for a property in the future. 

    Just wanted to want you that even for seller financing you should have some money in reserve (borrow from friends/relatives) for unexpected expense or renovations (if you are planning one)

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