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All Forum Posts by: Chase McArthur

Chase McArthur has started 1 posts and replied 174 times.

Post: Previous Management Company Trying to Keep Rents

Chase McArthurPosted
  • Specialist
  • Washington, DC
  • Posts 177
  • Votes 149

@Levi Graziano

What was the agreement between you and the management company before closing?

@Cole Black

LOL, yea the hardest part is getting started. At the very least 40% for expenses, when underwriting a deal without knowing the exact expenses it's best to assume 50% before taxes and debt service (mortgage payment).

@Cole Black

Hard money loan or friends and family

@Cole Black

As you said, not knowing the area OR any of the expenses on the property this will be practically impossible to tell you whether or not this is a good deal. So just going off of the very limited information, lets take a look at possibilities. 

1) You will need a down payment. It's possible to get owner financing but even in that case you will still need a down payment as well as exceptional credit history and a decent net worth. Often times an owner financed deal requires better stats than a bank would require as the owner has a lot more risk to consider than a bank does. That being said, account for 10%-20% down. If you pay asking that $62k down. Which gives you a $248k note, 30yr amort @ 5.5% gives you an annual debt service of $16,174.

2) Your GPI (Gross potential income) is currently $31,680. First you need to figure out WHY there is such a drastic difference in rents. This will also help you determine if you can raise rents to increase your cash flow. You also need to determine how much improvements will need to be done on the property in order to get the rents up. 

3) Assuming your expenses are 40% of GPI ($12,672) - debt service of $16,174 you are left with $2,834 of cash flow annually or $236.17 per month OR $59.04 per month per unit. We can stop right there as this is a **** deal. 

Assuming the world is full of rainbows and unicorns and everything else is perfect, you are out of pocket $62k for the down payment and your annual net income is only $2,834 which means your CoC or Cash on Cash return is only 5%. To make this worth anything you would need at least a 15% return and given the numbers you've supplied means that you couldn't pay more than $95k for the property. Or you would need to increase the annual net income by 215% which would give you an annual net of $8,927 after debt service which would result in a 14% CoC.

Wouldn't be worth my time.

Post: Any tips to find off-listing 13 to 15 units MF?

Chase McArthurPosted
  • Specialist
  • Washington, DC
  • Posts 177
  • Votes 149

@Phat Vi

Contact a good commercial broker who specializes in multifamily. They have loads of experience with 1031s.

Post: Cap Rate Historical Trends

Chase McArthurPosted
  • Specialist
  • Washington, DC
  • Posts 177
  • Votes 149

@Immanuel Sibero

LoL, no I wasn't insinuating, your right.

I agree, I think its a matter of semantics, because we are definitely on the same page. You are right with your explanation of cap rates being a direct reflection of investor sentiment, I couldn't agree more.

As long as your keeping your expenses down and occupancy up then you'll be good.

Great convo btw!

Post: Relationship between Cap Rate and Price/Unit

Chase McArthurPosted
  • Specialist
  • Washington, DC
  • Posts 177
  • Votes 149

@Matthew Shay

There is a direct correlation between those two variables, however when you start getting into the price/unit as well as price/sqft you're really getting into replacement cost. The cap rate will determine the overall value of the property which will be divided into the number of units, but for tighter cap rates on smaller properties the price/unit starts to increase to the point that the cost to build a new property becomes more plausible. Afterall, why buy something old when you can build something new. Value add properties are particular susceptible to this metric. 

@Derek Mortimer

You can PM me if you'd like.

@Derek Mortimer

Post all your numbers.

@Derek Mortimer

Get the books, run your numbers based off of what kind of returns you want to see and throw them an offer based on that. Is it for sale? If so, what are they asking?