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All Forum Posts by: Brian Kloft

Brian Kloft has started 4 posts and replied 120 times.

Post: Reno Multifamily - Stable Market for California Investors

Brian KloftPosted
  • Investor
  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 98

Am I missing something? I see the chart but it doesn't have Reno on it and you don't mention any numbers for Reno to compare with that chart.

Post: Reno/Tahoe - Looking to connect and do some deals together!

Brian KloftPosted
  • Investor
  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 98
Quote from @Lindsay Buchanan:

Hi @Sawyer Bullock!

My husband and I live in Truckee and currently invest in multi-families in Reno. Would love to connect, I am familiar with both Tahoe/Reno. 

I am happy to connect and share any information. 

Hi Lindsay, My wife and I currently have properties in Phoenix AZ and a couple of coastal towns in Oregon. We are starting to look at Reno as one of our next targets. We are looking for small multifamily properties. Right now we are trying to get more knowledgeable about Reno. It would be great to connect with you. 

Post: The rise of flat fee buyer agent brokerage

Brian KloftPosted
  • Investor
  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 98
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:

Considering the current circumstances, what is stopping me if I create brokerage that is offering buyer agent only with flat fee of 5k-10k ? My job is to submit bid and negotiate only.  Buyer go to open house directly.

Why would a buyer pay you $5-10k and have to go to open houses only? They would miss out on seeing a big percentage of the houses on the market. 

Post: Useless property what to do?

Brian KloftPosted
  • Investor
  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 98
Quote from @JD Martin:
Quote from @Brian Kloft:
Quote from @Alecia Loveless:

I had made a few basic improvements to the lot so my tenants could park there and the developer who controls the ROW is making me get rid of the parking “as it detracts from the appearance of the entrance to his subdivision”.

Unless this is some different kind of ROW than I have seen before, the developer doesn't get to tell you what you can do with it appearance wise. They need to be able to use it as a right of way, that's it. Wether it detracts from the appearance of his entrance or not is not your concern and I doubt part of the ROW. First, I would see what I could do with the property to make money as others have suggested. The city gets to tell you what you can do or not with the property, not the developer. If you don't want to do that and you want to play hard ball with the developer then come up with a price for them to buy it from you; and make it a good high price. More than it is worth. Tell them you want them to buy it from you for that amount. If they say no then tell them what you plan to do with the property. Make it something that doesn't violate the ROW and something that the city will allow but make it Very Very Very ugly. Something that will really detect from his entrance. Something like pink and green striped sheds, ugly art like gold painted toilets. They will then have to decide if it is either better to over pay you for your lot or to let it hurt the values of the properties they are trying to sell. This may sound horrible to do; but it sounds like the developer is trying to bully you into doing what they want with your property. I don't like to tell you to get nasty like that, but I like even less for some developer to bully you and it cost you money so they can make more money. 


 The main problem she has with most of these suggestions is that the property is tied up under note. She can't sell it without getting the bank to release it from the note. If she can get it split from the note, then lots of your ideas work and I personally like the gold painted toilets idea that's great :D


 I don't know for sure but my guess is that if she can get a chunk for the land and have it where it all goes to the bank note then the bank wouldn't have a problem with it. The note would be lower and the bank would still have the piece that has some real value to it. 

Post: Useless property what to do?

Brian KloftPosted
  • Investor
  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 98
Quote from @Alecia Loveless:

I had made a few basic improvements to the lot so my tenants could park there and the developer who controls the ROW is making me get rid of the parking “as it detracts from the appearance of the entrance to his subdivision”.

Unless this is some different kind of ROW than I have seen before, the developer doesn't get to tell you what you can do with it appearance wise. They need to be able to use it as a right of way, that's it. Wether it detracts from the appearance of his entrance or not is not your concern and I doubt part of the ROW. First, I would see what I could do with the property to make money as others have suggested. The city gets to tell you what you can do or not with the property, not the developer. If you don't want to do that and you want to play hard ball with the developer then come up with a price for them to buy it from you; and make it a good high price. More than it is worth. Tell them you want them to buy it from you for that amount. If they say no then tell them what you plan to do with the property. Make it something that doesn't violate the ROW and something that the city will allow but make it Very Very Very ugly. Something that will really detect from his entrance. Something like pink and green striped sheds, ugly art like gold painted toilets. They will then have to decide if it is either better to over pay you for your lot or to let it hurt the values of the properties they are trying to sell. This may sound horrible to do; but it sounds like the developer is trying to bully you into doing what they want with your property. I don't like to tell you to get nasty like that, but I like even less for some developer to bully you and it cost you money so they can make more money. 

Post: Renovating A Duplex with Very Little Cash - How to Finance or To Wait?

Brian KloftPosted
  • Investor
  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 98

First, figure out how to get the renovation done in a couple of weeks not a few months. Every month it is not leased you are losing that rent and that is typically a killer. Unless you are doing some massive renovation a couple of weeks should be sufficient even to take it from an ugly rental to a very nice rental. Can the two of you do any of the work? Painting changing switches outlets lights etc. Look at buying online instead of at the big box stores. I personally get all of my lighting on Amazon. I like the looks much more than HD &L. I have also found good brands of faucets on Amazon that are less expensive.

Post: Overview of STR Inventory and Multi Family house hacks in Oregon

Brian KloftPosted
  • Investor
  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 98

@Jay Hinrichs @Taj Richardson. It all depends on the type of investor you are. I am a bit different and have found the Oregon Coast to be very lucrative. I only do long term rentals and I have low LTVs. I wouldn't touch anything in CA. Oregon had its challenges but most markets do and these challenges keep many of the investors away. For me it is all about finding properties that are ugly and low rents. Most landlords up here (I happen to be sitting on the Oregon Coast right now.) Don't bother making their places nice because of the demand for rentals. For example I sold my ugly small apartment fridge and stove for $100 each to another landlord that was going to use them for his rental. I fix the ugly units up very nice and get a higher quality tenant for them and higher rents. I also force appreciation. I deal mostly in the smaller properties of under 10 units. One 3 unit property that I bought in 2021 I got lucky and all tenants moved within 2 years so I was able to renovate and get market rents. That property basically doubled in value over the two years. I have done it a couple of times, the third one is taking a bit longer as I am not having the higher turn over. However I just finished renovating one of the units and the rent is going from $900 to $1600. In November I did the same thing on a different property but from $900 to $1500 after renovation. Those are very nice boosts on cash flow.  Plus they significantly increase the value of their property. Personally I enjoy the Oregon Coast which is why I don't mind coming up here to do the renovations plus I get to save $10k by doing it mostly myself.

Post: Need some debt words of encouragement

Brian KloftPosted
  • Investor
  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 98
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
Quote from @Brian Kloft:

There is no reason to try and find a different way of thinking about it to put your mind at ease. Instead change your ideas of how to invest. I am an outlier on these forums as we have very little debt on our properties. What you can do is put a larger amount of cash down. This will allow you to get a higher amount of cash flow. High leverage will allow you to make more money as the properties go up in value, but you also put yourself at higher risk if there are problems. If we were to go into a big recession and you have tenants that are not paying and you can't get them out in a timely manner (think California), or if you all of a sudden have multiple houses that need new roofs or new ac units that can be a huge hit and if you can't pay for them you can be in a big problem. Having large cash reserves can also help alleviate the risks. 

Most of the BRRR people tend to have a lot of properties but they only make a little bit on each property because they are highly leveraged. The theory is the increase in value on all properties plus the rents go up each year so that profit margin gets bigger each year. I have very little debt so I make a much larger amount on each property. Granted I have fewer properties so I do not get as much appreciation gain as they do since they will have more properties to appreciate. However fewer properties is less work to manage and I have significantly less risk. It sounds like you worked hard to get completely out of debt and taking on new debt is bothering you which is why I am giving you a middle ground option of keeping the debt amount lower to minimize your risk. I am guessing that if you look at the numbers of what it would be like getting the debt on the properties down to only 50% as quickly as possible that you will find it not as troubling. Figure out what you really want to achieve (how much cash you want to get monthly) and how many paid for properties you would need to achieve that. Once you get to that number of properties (assuming your goals have not shifted by then) then start aggressively paying down those loans to even further lower your risk.

Everything you said is the exact opposite of what is true.
The more cash you put into a deal, like a higher DP, the more you are paying for that property.  This is true as long as you have negative CF.  If you have negative CF, you are adding cash (cost) every month with the negative CF you have to come up with out of pocket.
The more equity you have, the less your property is worth to you, and the more risk you have, not less risk.  You have to first realize what you have at risk...it's your equity.
If you have a property worth $100k, and you put only $20k into it as your DP, your cost is $20k, but that $20k is worth $100k in PV.  If you have no debt, as in 100% equity, that means you have $100k in cash (cost to you) into the property, and the $100k is only worth $100k.  Remember, bot property values are $100k, so they both increase in value from appreciation the same way.  The difference is, an all cash deal is only worth $100k in PV, whereas that same $100k used as a 20% DP, would be worth $500k in PV.  If both go up the same percentage of appreciation, the $500k in PF increases 5 times as fast, and exponentially increases faster as you move forward.  Both options are investing the same $100k, so both options have the same cost,...and the same amount of dollars at risk.

 You definition of risk and mine are drastically different. With low leverage if the economy goes really bad and 25% of my tenants are having trouble paying rent I have zero concern about being able to pay my loans. Most people that only have 20% down would not be able to make their loan payments in the same situation.

Post: Need some debt words of encouragement

Brian KloftPosted
  • Investor
  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 98

There is no reason to try and find a different way of thinking about it to put your mind at ease. Instead change your ideas of how to invest. I am an outlier on these forums as we have very little debt on our properties. What you can do is put a larger amount of cash down. This will allow you to get a higher amount of cash flow. High leverage will allow you to make more money as the properties go up in value, but you also put yourself at higher risk if there are problems. If we were to go into a big recession and you have tenants that are not paying and you can't get them out in a timely manner (think California), or if you all of a sudden have multiple houses that need new roofs or new ac units that can be a huge hit and if you can't pay for them you can be in a big problem. Having large cash reserves can also help alleviate the risks. 

Most of the BRRR people tend to have a lot of properties but they only make a little bit on each property because they are highly leveraged. The theory is the increase in value on all properties plus the rents go up each year so that profit margin gets bigger each year. I have very little debt so I make a much larger amount on each property. Granted I have fewer properties so I do not get as much appreciation gain as they do since they will have more properties to appreciate. However fewer properties is less work to manage and I have significantly less risk. It sounds like you worked hard to get completely out of debt and taking on new debt is bothering you which is why I am giving you a middle ground option of keeping the debt amount lower to minimize your risk. I am guessing that if you look at the numbers of what it would be like getting the debt on the properties down to only 50% as quickly as possible that you will find it not as troubling. Figure out what you really want to achieve (how much cash you want to get monthly) and how many paid for properties you would need to achieve that. Once you get to that number of properties (assuming your goals have not shifted by then) then start aggressively paying down those loans to even further lower your risk.

Post: Deposit return to tenant

Brian KloftPosted
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  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 98

Were the walls freshly painted when the tenant moved in? If so then I would think that needing painting after 2 years would be a bit of excessive wear and tear. If they only need some touch up for areas where the back of a couch rubbed on the wall then that would be more normal wear and tear. This one is the most questionable wear and tear vs abnormal item.

The garbage disposal: If the tenant had called before moving out and said that the disposal wasn't working then you would have had to send someone to repair it on your dime so I don't see that you can charge them unless you find something like a fork in there.

If the place was clean when they moved in then you can charge for cleaning. 

If you are managing this on your own make sure that you send the itemized security deposit accounting within the 14 days as required by law. I have found that most the time if you are reasonable on the charges to the tenants there isn't any problem. Typically they know that they left it dirty and they figure they are either going to pay you to clean or they would have to go thru the hassle of cleaning it themselves or find someone to clean it and this way they didn't have to be out earlier to get it cleaned.