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All Forum Posts by: Brian Kloft

Brian Kloft has started 4 posts and replied 120 times.

Post: I Bought A 130 Unit Hotel and Resort!!

Brian KloftPosted
  • Investor
  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 100
Quote from@Blake Dailey:

@Blake Dailey  Thanks. Not so worried about building momentum. We already have had that and are only looking at getting one or two more properties unless we decide to 1031 one of our multi unit properties. Between Oregon and AZ residential and commercial we have around 23 units with only a couple of small loans. I know not typical on here to have such a little amount in loans but we enjoy great cash flow that we live on, have lots of flexibility in what we can do and have no concern about making payments if the economy were to take a dump. We are just interested in doing something a little bit different than what we have done over the last several years. However when a great property that fits what we like (ugly and a great price where we can use our skills to make it beautiful) comes around that we can take advantage of our position and get it, we want to be knowledgeable about that property type and be able to jump on it. 

Post: Oregon eviction attorney recommendation?

Brian KloftPosted
  • Investor
  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 100

John S. Jones

Attorney at Law

494 State Street Suite 300E

Salem OR 97301

503.362.6396 office

I started to use him the one time I have needed the services up there; but one last ditched effort to my tenant and I got them to move out so I didn't end up needing him. Not sure if he will be able to help with your more unique situation.

Post: I Bought A 130 Unit Hotel and Resort!!

Brian KloftPosted
  • Investor
  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 100
Quote from @AJ Wong:
Quote from @Brian Kloft:

@Blake Dailey sounds like I should be following you to learn more about this segment. We already own a number of long term rentals on the Oregon Coast. We are interested in doing something different for our next purchase up there. I have been thinking small office or retail (which I have experience in); larger multi family (10-20 unit), RV Storage, and have even thought about beach front hotel, or at least ocean view hotel. There are so many run down hotels along the coast and I love to take a run down property and turn it around. 

@Brian Kloftundefined

SO MANY! For both Oregon Coast short term rentals and hotels/motels there is a drastic need for modern and updated hospitality. I've posted about Boutique hotels previously being the next high value investor asset class.. there are several examples of properties that have made 2024 improvements and nearly doubled the income and asset valuation. (The B Side Motel in Bandon is one) currently listed for $2M+ combination of 10-12 units and RV hosting. I have an off market 12 unit on the coast and a 25+ unit Oceanfront in Bandon that would also consider selling..

Lastly there is an 80+ unit coastal motel I have my eyes on. Needs some lifting but target price is $50-60k per key. 


 We aren't quite there yet, still finishing doing some restructuring. Feel free to send me some properties so that I can start looking at them and getting more familiar with their financials. 

Post: Anyone wholesaling small to medium sized businesses

Brian KloftPosted
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  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 100

I did Business Brokerage for a couple of years right before covid hit. Here are some of my thoughts for you. In Arizona in order to sell a business you need a RE license just like you do to sell RE, so I am guessing that you could do wholesaling the way you would in RE. 

House sales is the easiest and fastest to do but you make less per transaction. Commercial RE deals take longer and more work but there are fewer people doing them and you can make more money. Business Broker deals take even longer than Commercial RE and there are even fewer people doing it than Commercial RE but the commissions can be even higher.

I am not sure that I can even fathom how to do this. However if you are good at calling tons of people to try and get a deal then you might be able to make it work. I would probably try and focus on certain types of businesses that sell quick. Most businesses take well over a year to find a buyer and sell it. However there are some businesses that sell quickly and always have a bunch of buyers out there. The one that comes to mind first is property management. PM companies are always looking to acquire others to grow. Construction companies as well (HVAC, electrical, plumbing). There is such a demand for employees that companies often buy another business just to get their employees. 

If you decide to get into this make sure to keep info confidential. If you let it be known that company A is looking to sell and the word got out because of you and; they then lose a bunch of their clients because of that, then you could open yourself up to a lawsuit.  

Oh and the whole Baby Boomers wanting to retire and not having a kid to give the business to is well known and talked about in the Business Brokerage world. In fact one of my favorite advertisings dealt with just that. Something about this ad just always made me smile. 

Post: I Bought A 130 Unit Hotel and Resort!!

Brian KloftPosted
  • Investor
  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 100

@Blake Dailey sounds like I should be following you to learn more about this segment. We already own a number of long term rentals on the Oregon Coast. We are interested in doing something different for our next purchase up there. I have been thinking small office or retail (which I have experience in); larger multi family (10-20 unit), RV Storage, and have even thought about beach front hotel, or at least ocean view hotel. There are so many run down hotels along the coast and I love to take a run down property and turn it around. 

Post: Where to purchase flooring?

Brian KloftPosted
  • Investor
  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 100

Sherwin Williams Flooring. I know you may think of them for paint but they do flooring. I like to use the quality MSI solid core LVP. They actually charge me less for the actual flooring than I can buy it at Home Depot so that cost savings helps offset the cost of the install and their install prices are good. I have installed a bunch myself but they can do it so much faster than I can and of all of the stuff that I do I find this to be the biggest benefit to pay them to install. 

The problem I have with Floor and Decor is that often once they sell out of a specific flooring they don't get it again. Thus if you want to try and use the same flooring in multiple units you can't get that same flooring 2 years in the future. If you aren't worried about that then they have some great prices. 

Also check for the resellers. Those that buy all of the Home Depot returns or when HD clears out their flooring or gets rid of overstock you can often find the flooring at a smoking price. You just may be buying it out of a storage unit. 

Post: How do you manage your rentals remotely?

Brian KloftPosted
  • Investor
  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 100
Quote from @Diane Chapman:

What is MTR? Thanks to your post I finally know what STR stands for! I'm a Newbie!


Medium Term Rental, typically furnished like a STR but minimum of 30 days. Often 1-3 months. Some common renters are long vacationers, traveling nurses, people who are having work done on their house that they needed to move out for (ie a water leak happened so the place is getting fixed and it will take a couple months to do all the work).

Post: How do you manage your rentals remotely?

Brian KloftPosted
  • Investor
  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 100
Quote from @Dick Rosen:

@Brian Kloft, very good and thorough response. I like everything you've said and respect what you have accomplished. The one thing that I think you are overlooking is the legal issues that a good local PM will be in tune with. Personally I spend more time keeping up with changing legislation, Fair Housing Laws etc than I do anything else. And it appears that things coming down from legistaion and HUD in 2024 is only going to make it worse. This seems to me to be a very important part that investors just aren't aware of and in fact a lot of PM's are not up to speed either. We believe that a good PM will save you more money than they cost in the long run. Not to mention it just simply gives you that time back.


 Yes you need to keep up to date with legal items like for notices, rent increases etc. My response was long enough as it was I didn't want to bring up yet another item. When only managing 1-3 properties, like I suspect most people have, the amount of time spent managing them should be very insignificant. 

Post: How to deal with consistent late payment renter?

Brian KloftPosted
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  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 100

All of these people on here telling you to just evict the person. Great for them but they won't be paying the price for that decision, you will. You hired a property manager for a reason so let them keep doing their job. You hired them to collect the rent and you have said that they are doing that. I understand that you are frustrated that it is not all up front like you expected but they are getting it done and that is what matters to your pocket book. I have been managing properties for others and myself for more than 25 years. My guess is that most of the people here have only a few rentals. The more properties you have the more likely you will run into this. It is a numbers game and it sounds like you just got unlucky and got it early. This practice is not uncommon. The goal is to collect the rent and avoid eviction. Working with your tenant will get you a lot further than constantly fighting your tenant. Over the years I have had many tenants that have had to break their payments up into 2 or 3 payments, and they were tenants for 5-10+ years. It is not always a sign that things are going to go south. As long as they get paid by the end of the month they are fine. When it goes beyond the end of the month that is when it can start to become a problem.

What truly is your alternative? Yes you can evict them. What is that going to cost you? Depending on the state it could take you 1 to 2 months for the eviction and then potentially another month to get the property back. Now the tenant is out of the house you will have to fix it up so you are probably talking $1,000 - $5,000 for that, depending on how much needs to be done. You are also talking about another 1-2 months before a tenant moves in. Plus there is a leasing fee. So at a minimum you are probably looking at $3,000-$4,000 expense to you but that number could easily be up to $10,000 depending on your state's eviction proceedings and the condition of the property. To me this is not worth it to get rid of the annoyance of the pm company taking partial payments over the month. This is also why, unlike others, I said that they are doing their job. I think the better pm company saves me the $5-10k and does the extra work that they are doing in collecting the rent in payments and sending out all of the notices. Make no mistake, doing this is extra work for them. From what you said, while they keep late fees, they waive those late fees if the tenant pays the rent in full by the end of the month so they are not making anything on this.

I understand that it can be frustrating seeing this happen. This may sound bad but stop looking at the property financials mid month. Don't worry about it until after the month. There is no reason to be looking at the financials mid month. 

As far as you being worried that the consistent late payments won't look good when you try to sell the property. It sounded like this is a single family rental or condo, but either way just a single unit. Are you planning on selling it any time soon? If you are, is this a specific market where there are a lot of places being sold to investors with tenants in them already? For single family homes the value is going to be based on the house itself. When you go to sell it I have found that most of the time it is best to sell it vacant. There are still a lot more home buyers out there than investors so if you are trying to sell it to just an investor you are going to limit your market and most investors are looking for a deal while many home buyers are just looking to get a home at a fair price and not have to compete against investors. If the property is a multi tenant property then that might have an impact, but even then I doubt it. Report ledgers are monthly and you don't see partial payments on them and most evaluations are looked at that way. 

Post: Llc vs Personal cash out refinance

Brian KloftPosted
  • Investor
  • Arizona & Oregon Coast
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 100

As far as I know there are not any limits.