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Post: Interest rate of 5.75% on investment property???

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@Jill F. Isn’t that risky. Let’s say you were a syndicator running an equity fund and purchasing a property would you still have to personally guarantee the loan?
Isn’t that risky especially for multi million dollar deals as you could go bankrupt?
Don't big corporation close in the name of the LLC?
Post: How to Find Off-Market Apartment Deals

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@Michael Ealy alright i understand. However, in 3 you said you look at the ‘good’ in the deal. I’m assuming you mean the value add opportunities like raising rent, raising occupancy, renovation etc. Could you please elaborate and give examples please?
Post: 41-Units No Money Down Deal $627K Profit in 15 Months - How?

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@Michael Ealy
Ok but if I did want to rename a property because it had a bad reputation etc or I wanted to rebrand it for perhaps value add purposes etc how would o do that? Would I have to file papers do you know?
Have you ever renamed a property? If so how?
Post: Interest rate of 5.75% on investment property???

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@Jill F.
Congrats.
Did you have to personally guarantee the loan even though it's under the name of the LLC?
Did the LLC have enough income and established history so you didn't have to guarantee the loan?
Was the property cashflow good where the loan was secured on the property and the lender focused on the DSCR (Debt to Service Coverage Ratio)?
Post: 41-Units No Money Down Deal $627K Profit in 15 Months - How?

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Originally posted by @Michael Ealy:
Yesterday, we closed on this 41-unit apartment deal and netted $627,643.32 in profit (just from the sale). We actually made MORE than that because we've made good cashflow from the apartment building during the time we held it.
Here's the HUD Settlement statement:

Here's the picture of the front of the building:

True No Money Down Deal - No Capital Raised
This is a TRUE "no money down" deal as we did not need to raise private capital or used OPM (Other People's Money). It's a LAND INSTALLMENT CONTRACT (also known as Contract for Deed) with $0 downpayment.
How Did We Find the Deal
This is a property we found through our relationships/network. We were already managing this property for the owner. We recommended 18 months ago that he increases the rent by about $200/month and we estimated that he needed to spend about $200,000 to improve the units to justify the rent increase.
Even though he could invest the money, he was hesitant in increasing the rents. Given other things happening in his life at that time, he decided to let us just take over the OWNERSHIP and have us spend our own money in renovating the units ourselves. Of course, we structured it so that, we get the benefit of increased rents by structuring a LAND CONTRACT (this happened 15 months ago).
Through a land contract, it's totally passive for the owner and he does not have to worry about repair overruns. We took on the risks and hassles of ownership as well as its benefits as you can see below.
It Gets Better!
Going into the deal, we really thought we needed to come up or raise the money for the renovation. But, we were able to renovate the units as they become vacant USING THE CASHFLOW FROM THE PROPERTY! In other words, we acquired the building no money down and renovated it without any cash coming out of our pocket as well.
We increased the rents of the vacant units and then took the risk by announcing the higher rents for those with expired leases. We got some tenants to move out but most of them stayed and paid the higher rent especially when they see their improved apartments.
Our Profit from the Sale and Structure of the Deal
As you can see from the HUD-1 Settlement Statement, we received $1,620,947.06 from the sale. Our land contract to buy the deal from the owner is $1,250,000. On the HUD-1, an amount of $256,696.06 was sent to the owner's lender (as he stil has a mortgage on it). However, the owner's mortgage is "wrapped" with our $1,250,000 purchase (land contract). So the math works out the following:
Proceeds from HUD-1: $1,620,947.06
less Land contract: $1,250,000
add back Mortgage pay-off: $256,696.26
equals: $627,643.32 PROFIT FROM THE SALE!
What Did We Learn from This Deal
1. Importance of Track Record - due to our track record of successfully operating apartment buildings (I've been doing this since 1999 and own 1,000 apartment units today), we were asked to manage this building and then later on, to be its owners. It takes time but the better you become at operating properties, the more deals and money you will attract.
2. Importance of Being In-Tune With Your Local Market - knowing what your rents are for different bedroom types for section 8 and non section 8 (or market) tenants is key. You have to know which submarkets in your area are hot- that is where rents are trending up. And you have to be willing to increase the rents when justified by the market and your apartment quality.
3. Importance of Cashflow Management & DELAYED GRATIFICATION - through disciplined cashflow management, we utilized the cashflow from the property in improving the apartment units in order to justify the $200/mo per unit rent increase. We did not pay ourselves for many months - in fact, we only started taking cashflow distributions about 6 months ago when we the property's financial performance has stabilized.
4. Importance of Having the Right Relationships - aside from getting such an awesome deal from the seller (which is a client who became a friend as well), we were able to sell the property through one of our real estate brokers. We even structured the deal such that the higher the price he gets for the property, the higher the percentage commission he gets - and that's exactly what happened. Even though I am a licensed real estate agent, I let him have the entire $79,500 in commission to sweeten the deal to my broker.
That is BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS - it's not lip service or a pat on the back. It has to affect people's wallets. My broker made almost $40,000 more because I was willing to have him get ALL THE COMMISSION.
5. The more ways you know, the more deals you do and the more money you make. Good thing we know what land contract is and how to structure it. I realized that money is made when you have specialized knowledge and you implement that specialized knowledge creatively and diligently.
Maybe the reason why you're struggling in doing a deal is because you don't know some of these techniques so you're entry and exit strategies are limited.
Hope this helps and inspires you.
If so, reply to this and if you have questions, let's have a discussion here.
When you buy an apartment building do you rename the building and update google etc. in order to rebrand the property if it had bad reviews etc. or to get a fresh new view from tenants etc.
If so how do you rename a property? Do you have to file paperwork?
Post: First deal and syndication

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Originally posted by @Caleb Heimsoth:
@Jared Lomker you should clarify. Are you wanting to be a passive investor in a syndication or do you want to set up your own syndication?
My goal is to set up my own real estate syndication. How do you suggest that I start and eventually get to this point?
Post: First deal and syndication

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Originally posted by @Jared Lomker:
@Spencer Gray
How do I learn to eventually make it an option for myself? Any recommendations?
I am interested in doing this as I eventually want to bring investors in on deals with me.
Post: How to Find Off-Market Apartment Deals

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Originally posted by @Ola Dantis:
One of our strengths at Dwellynn.com is finding off TRUE market deals. Occasionally, some Brokers will send us deals that have been marketed and maybe an expired listing only to find the deal on our trash OR in the spam section of my emails.
Consequently, we have become very solid at sourcing TRUE off-market deals via
AUTHORIZED VENDORS
The TWO main challenges for many people looking to source off-market deals:
- REJECTION
- PIERECING THROUGH LLC (or other gatekeeping elements)
Using Online Authorized vendors such as CoStar allows us to pierce through the LLCs and calls the Owners directly. As you the number of units grow, it can get increasingly difficult to reach a decision-maker in an organisation. So, we combine our cold calling strategies with sophisticated direct mails to the firms that own assets in our target markets.
REAL-LIFE EXAMPLE
I called a firm that owns assets in one of our target markets in TX, and I was able to get on the phone with one of the owners, the son of the owner. It is a family operated MF firm and they self manage all their assets.
The guy said "Ola you couldn't have called at a better time as we you are in the property disposition phase and looking to move $20,000,000 off our portfolio (3 multifamily assets)". We underwrote the deal and can back with a price and during the time 1 of the 3 deals went to a national broker in prep to go on-market because someone else in the company made the decision to do that (the father possibly, so that they can get the best Sales price, understandably)
Though we were unable to take down all 3, we are now in talks to get one under contract.
Yes, it is a lot of effort but we are fully aware of the Law of Averages and use it to our favour!
Congrats. I have a question. Could you please explain how you 'underwrote' the deal? By underwriting do you mean you asked the owners for the property financials and plugged it into a spreadsheet and calculated rents,expenses,NOI,debt etc?
Post: Looking to invest $$$ in mlg capital or Cardone capital?

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One of my business goals is to start a real estate private equity firm like MLG Capital and Cardone Capital?
How do I start?
How do I structure the management,fund and property entities?
Do management fees go only to the management LLC then profit splits to sponsors and and investors?
How are sponsors paid?
Do I need to hire attorneys,accountants for complex SEC regulations and reporting requirements?
Post: Interest rate of 5.75% on investment property???

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Originally posted by @Mo Muigai:
Recently closed on residential with rate of 3.5%. I know investment properties run higher rates but is 5.75% a bit too high or that’s typical? This will be my first purchase of actual investment property.
Thanks!
How about you try negotiating an interest only loan of 4.5% for a couple years to maximise NOI and keep your debt low and keep refinancing?