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All Forum Posts by: Bellman Tumasang

Bellman Tumasang has started 49 posts and replied 117 times.

Originally posted by @Markus Shobe:

@Bellman Tumasang 30 different bank accounts would be to much. If you have good systems in place it wouldn't be to hard to keep up with how much each property is making. I have seen some real estate investors do what you were referring to as opening an LLC and bank account for each property, but I think it just is to costly and unnecessary.

 Yes I fully understand where your coming from but I’m thinking about big deals not single family. I’ll give you an example. 

Let’s say I buy 2 apartment complexes each 30 units so 60 in total. Let’s say both at $50k/unit so $1.5m each building and $3m in total. 

I believe it'll make sense for each to be in a separate LLC. Rents could be paid to separate property LLC's, limits liability and maximises asset protection etc.

I know how with multiple entities and bank accounts etc it can be expensive but honestly when your doing big deals making a lot of money it’s a small price to pay that can really help protect your assets.

I have been doing research and it seems many lenders for Multifamily apartment buildings require each property to be in a special purpose entity such as an LLC.

Originally posted by @Charles Carillo:

@Bellman Tumasang

It depends on the properties you are referring to. It also depends on your personal financials. Before you make a decision, you should speak to your CPA or attorney. That being said, if you have 30 single family properties worth $100k each, you could group a few into each LLC. If these are much more expensive properties or apartment complexes, you would do one per LLC. Lastly, if you have this many properties worth millions of dollars, I would suggest you hire a bookkeeper for a few hundred dollars a month or have your CPA handle your bookkeeping for you (more expensive). Either way, you can have someone handle this for a minimal amount of money vs. the value of your portfolio.

I'm referring to apartment complexes worth potentially millions of dollars with multiple units hence why I'm suggesting 1 per LLC. So if I had 30 apartment complexes I may have 30 LLC's and 30 bank accounts.


Also I do not yet own any properties I am 17 turning 18 next month and I am learning step by step as I want to get into real estate one day.

I know that when you buy rental properties it's wise to keep each in its own separate LLC to limit liability and maximise asset protection etc.

However, let's say you have 30 rental properties, 30 different LLC's and 30 different business bank accounts how do you manage all that? Tons of accountants etc?

Anyone how is in a similar situation please give me some feedback please.

I know that when you buy rental properties it's wise to keep each in its own separate LLC to limit liability and maximise asset protection etc.


However, let's say you have 30 rental properties, 30 different LLC's and 30 different business bank accounts how do you manage all that? Tons of accountants etc?
 
Anyone how is in a similar situation please give me some feedback please.

Investors who own commercial property such as apartment buildings how do you pay property taxes? I was reading an article on this link https://www.nolo.com/legal-enc... and it said you complete an income and expense form. Where do I get this form from?


Anyone who invests in property how do you do this? Do you have an accountant who handles this? Do you do it yourself if so how and when?

Originally posted by @Trevor Ewen:

@Bellman Tumasang

There is government data, which is free, to start.

Keep in mind that numbers are relative in this case. Unemployment is going to go way up! The question is what kind of communities have less or more than others, not the absolute number (although some absolutes could be outside hard limits for you). 

For instance, if you had told me to look into a market with steady 8% unemployment in December I would've thought it's not a great market. Within a month or two, that'll be a pretty decent number based on what I have seen.

How do I access the government data?

Originally posted by @Nicholas Lohr:

Yes you could Bellman but it really depends on the lender and the property.  I will tell you that what you describe there would be very hard to get, especially in the current environment. 

If you wrote this instead, " Could I purchase a property with a down payment of 25%, recourse loan, take title in the my own name and I have great credit and solid income?" Then I think you would be more on the realistic track of what would actually could get a lender to agree to. Especially the LLC and non-recourse parts, they don't like that. (assuming we' talking about a small 4 units or less residential property?)

As far as the 2nd part, I've done 3 cash out refis and yes I had to wait 6 months.  However I've noticed the seasoning gets a little looser once you get up to a certain point.  For my duplex I did have to wait 6 months but for my 6-plex I was able to start the process right after I got full occupancy and the cash out closed 2 months later. 

I am thinking about multi-family apartment buildings as I want to go big.

I believe lenders focus mainly on the income and DSCR so a 25% down payment, non-recourse loan and closing in an LLC while later getting a cash out refinance should be possible right?

Could I purchase a property with a down payment of 25%, non-recourse loan and take title in the LLC with no personal guarantee.

After that, do I have to wait 6 months or a year before I can cash out refinance? How would I go about doing a cash out refinance.

I have been reading some stuff on the internet and have an idea but I want to learn from those who are doing it.

Originally posted by @Ellis San Jose:

Texas A&M has a school of real estate has great data about all the metrics real estate in Texas cities. There is usually a university that gathers data in each state if you want to study the statistics.  IMHO that is less important than understanding how to uncover profitable deals, evaluate them, & how to actually execute & operate.  If you are thinking a broker is going to lead you to the best deals, be prepared to be disappointed. Are you planning to purchase a building & actively manage it?Or are you planning to buy into a syndication as a passive investor?

Thanks I will search up Texas A&M and I plan to purchase a building and actively manage it. I will start deals with my own capital, then syndicate with partners and eventually create funds where I pool capital and buy huge buildings.

How do I analyse different real estate markets? Yes I know I need to look at job growth, migration etc everyone says the same thing but how exactly do I find this out?

For example let’s say investors want to research job growth in the Texas market I highly doubt that they just search up Texas job growth on google and call it a day. Do you ask brokers? But then again brokers may be biased towards the markets they get listings from? Is there a national database? Do you just visit areas and see if new shopping centres are being built or business moving into the area?


IF IT HELPS THEN I’M LOOKING TO EVENTUALLY INVEST IN APARTMENT BUILDINGS. I AM 17 TURNING 18 NEXT YEAR ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR JOB WHEN I GO TO UNIVERSITY IN SEPTEMBER.