Skip to content
×
PRO
Pro Members Get Full Access!
Get off the sidelines and take action in real estate investing with BiggerPockets Pro. Our comprehensive suite of tools and resources minimize mistakes, support informed decisions, and propel you to success.
Advanced networking features
Market and Deal Finder tools
Property analysis calculators
Landlord Command Center
$0
TODAY
$69.00/month when billed monthly.
$32.50/month when billed annually.
7 day free trial. Cancel anytime
Already a Pro Member? Sign in here
Pick markets, find deals, analyze and manage properties. Try BiggerPockets PRO.
x
All Forum Categories
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 3 posts and replied 49 times.

Post: Should you fund a hard money deal with heloc?

Account ClosedPosted
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 25

@D Jones, I'll break it down.  I got $108k out of the equity from our primary residence.  That is 5.39% for 30 years.  This cost $90 for an appraisal.

I got $92k from our rental as a line of credit.  This is good for ten years.  This cost $485.  It just closed this last Friday so I was not sure on the closing amount when I posted earlier.  Another awesome feature is that I only have to start paying on this loan when I actually pull the money out.  Unlike the loan on our primary above, which I had to start paying on right away, whether I used it or not.   

Right now we have a $100k loan on the rental.  So after I finish the rental we will have a total of $300k in loans on the rental.  That is the $108k equity pull out + the $92k line of credit + the $100k mortgage.  

The rental hopefully at the time of completion will be worth between $500-600k.  The last five houses on the same street have sold in that range, and this house will have the same number of bedrooms and bathrooms.  It has a better view and will have nicer decks.  The only thing it will not have is off street parking.    

Even if I pulled $320k out to cover all the loans and the cost of the monthly payments on all of them during this year that I get it rehabbed, I will still be only pulling out 64% of the value at the new rehabbed value of $500k.  320/500=64%. I'd still have 34% equity at the low end of the valuation range, $500k.  At the high end, $600k I'll have 47% equity left by taking out the $320k, 53%. $20k will go back into our account to pay us back for the monthly payments we made during this rehab time.  I don't think it will actually be that much, but I don't know yet because the line of credit will vary as the months go by.  As the balance I've taken out increases, the monthly payment will increase.  

The pay offs for the line of credit, the equity loan, as well as the current mortgage will come from the new $300k loan. Then I will be left with one loan on the rental as well as an equity line of credit, and one loan on my primary residence.  

Since my loan to value ratio will be on the low side, I'm thinking my interest rate will be better so that I can get a thirty year fixed rate and be done with this project entirely.  It is hard to say what the interest rates will be in a year, but I'm hopeful it will be better than they are right now.  

In addition, since neither of these loans have term limits that are six or twelve months long, I could continue to pay on all three loans and wait until the interest rates get better.  This feature made this project doable since getting work done in this city is time consuming.  I would have been a wreck trying to make sure the work got done in a short six months or even a year.  I plan on getting it done in a year, but much of the work I am not going to do.  I have to hire it out.  Time frames are not mine to manage to a huge degree.   

Taking the $320k out will allow me to pay off the $102K equity loan on my primary residence, and the current $100k mortgage on the rental, and the $92k line of credit on the rental.  

An added benefit is that I will still have the $92K line of credit on the rental to use for another nine years as needed since I will have just paid it off.  It is like a credit card, you use the balance and then pay off the balance and then you have the balance to use again!  Genius! 

This will give me the money for my next project, which I think will be our primary residence.   

I am thinking of moving all our bank accounts to these two small banks since they really did take care of us.  I've got both loans done and I'm still blown away that it worked out this way.  I find myself logging on to make sure we really do have access to the money we need to finish this project.  I'm forever grateful that I called and called and called all the small banks I could find in my area.  

Please let me know if I have missed something.  

  

Post: Should you fund a hard money deal with heloc?

Account ClosedPosted
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 25

@Eric Mcginn, yes, I've got that on my primary.  

The rental line of equity is good for ten years. 

Post: Storage Tenant issues

Account ClosedPosted
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 25

What a bummer. 
it sounds frustrating, maddening and a time sink.

Cash for keys? 

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Account ClosedPosted
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 25

@Caroline Gerardo advice is great.

Also, if you don’t want smokers to smoke in your house, you have to mention that in the lease. 

I’d talk about that in person with everyone as they come to see it. It can be listed as just part of the features of the house. 

Post: Should you fund a hard money deal with heloc?

Account ClosedPosted
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 25

@John Currey, I’m doing it. 


I’ve got a home equity loan on my primary residence and a line of credit on my rental. Together they give me the funding i need to finish my rental rehab.

I looked into hard money. It was expensive. $37k, $26k, $10k are the three offers I got to finance the same about of money, $200k. 

My two loans cost me $90 in all, and I got the $200k at 5.39% interest, 30 year term. 

In a year when I finish my rehab, I’ll get a new loan and consolidate so the debt sits just on the rental. There is no pre-payment penalty on either loan. 

Go to small local banks. The ones that are easily overlooked. They are golden. 

Post: Best current rates, Boston lenders

Account ClosedPosted
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 25

I agree with @Conor Brennan, local.  I looked online, hard money, then went super small local and found amazing deals for loans, 5.39% 30 year term right now on a home equity for both primary residence and rental.  

Post: Question about the best loan I can get for refinancing

Account ClosedPosted
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 25

Hi @Hyeseong Park, from what I understand of your purchase, it was under your name not a LLC, right?

If so, and since you live in PA, you can check S&T Bank or First National Bank and see what they can do.   

I looked in DSCR loans, and they were expensive! One wanted $37,000, another $26,000 and the last $9950 all so I could get the $180,000 I need to finish my rehab on a rental loan. Also, they varied in term from six months to a year. So, if I the work was not done in the stated terms, they would get the property. I know you have finished your rehab so this isn't a consideration for you.

Ideally that would seem to be enough time.  But, in my area, work moves slowly.  So, that wasn't a great option as the stress I would be under with no control would have been astronomical.  

First National Bank gave me a loan that I got from the equity on my current house, $108,500 for $0 out of my pocket.  There were no fees, points, nothing.  

S&T Bank is giving me the remaining loan, $92,000 for a $90 appraisal fee.  This is coming from the equity in my rental.  

I've got good credit, so that helps, but you have a finished, ready to go house!  First National Bank would have given me a loan on the rental had it been livable.  So, I'm sure you could get a good loan from them since yours is livable.  And, it will probably cost you nothing.  

Did I mention my interest rate from First National Bank is at 5.39%?

I called lots of banks, hard money lenders and brokers and none could compare to these two in my area.  

Make certain to pull the amount of money out that the rent can cover, along with taxes, insurance, maintenance and capital savings.  So, in essence, that loan and the care of the house will be paid for by the renter.  The money you pull out from the loan can then be used to buy another house!

By the way, WAY TO GO!  You did it!  You bought a house with cash!  You fixed it up with cash!  You've created a free and clear source of revenue!  OUTSTANDING!  

You must be so proud of yourself!  WELL DONE!

Post: Working With Contractors

Account ClosedPosted
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 25

Hi, 
I had a tradesman not want to work with me because I asked five questions about the tricky new hvac system I need to figure out.

So, be willing to answer questions.

Be kind. So many in this industry are rude, arrogant, and dismissive.

Be willing to do quality work.

Be willing to stand by your work and honor it if it doesn’t fix it the first time. 

Post: Tenant appealed after a judgement

Account ClosedPosted
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 25

That sucks by the way. 

Post: Tenant appealed after a judgement

Account ClosedPosted
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 25

That sucks.

Cash for keys?

And show up to help move his stuff out with your truck?