Skip to content
×
PRO
Pro Members Get Full Access!
Get off the sidelines and take action in real estate investing with BiggerPockets Pro. Our comprehensive suite of tools and resources minimize mistakes, support informed decisions, and propel you to success.
Advanced networking features
Market and Deal Finder tools
Property analysis calculators
Landlord Command Center
$0
TODAY
$69.00/month when billed monthly.
$32.50/month when billed annually.
7 day free trial. Cancel anytime
Already a Pro Member? Sign in here
Managing Your Property
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

User Stats

10
Posts
7
Votes
Pramod Prasad
7
Votes |
10
Posts

Eviction - vandalized property

Pramod Prasad
Posted

Hi All - 

I bought my first property in KC, and have gone on to purchase a few more in other locations over the year. This first one is my problem child. 

I had issues with the tenant and we went through a long eviction process. At the end, when the tenant was evicted the property manager informed me that property has serious damage. The water heater, appliances, hvac systems have all been ripped out. Now, I find that a little surprising. Does anyone have this happen to them as part of an eviction? Unclear to me how a tenant can do this so professionally. MAybe I am reading too much into this, but I find my property manager is not being entirely truthful. 

User Stats

41,792
Posts
61,572
Votes
Jay Hinrichs
Professional Services
Pro Member
#4 All Forums Contributor
  • Lender
  • Lake Oswego OR Summerlin, NV
61,572
Votes |
41,792
Posts
Jay Hinrichs
Professional Services
Pro Member
#4 All Forums Contributor
  • Lender
  • Lake Oswego OR Summerlin, NV
Replied
This is extremely common in areas of C D quality properties.. not necessarily the tenant that did it could be just your typical theft when a home goes vacant. this is why its critical to have a vacant home policy in force on your rentals..

User Stats

10
Posts
7
Votes
Pramod Prasad
7
Votes |
10
Posts
Pramod Prasad
Replied

Thank you - given this was my first property I did opt for every single thing on the insurance and looks like I will get covered for this. I just am not 100% sure if I should change my property manager. 

Baselane logo
Baselane
|
Sponsored
BiggerPockets prefers Baselane The #1 REI platform that integrates banking, rent collection and bookkeeping to save time and money.

User Stats

41,792
Posts
61,572
Votes
Jay Hinrichs
Professional Services
Pro Member
#4 All Forums Contributor
  • Lender
  • Lake Oswego OR Summerlin, NV
61,572
Votes |
41,792
Posts
Jay Hinrichs
Professional Services
Pro Member
#4 All Forums Contributor
  • Lender
  • Lake Oswego OR Summerlin, NV
Replied
Quote from @Pramod Prasad:

Thank you - given this was my first property I did opt for every single thing on the insurance and looks like I will get covered for this. I just am not 100% sure if I should change my property manager. 


PHew good job.. pm cant be there 24 7 theft happens in one night ..  what you need to do is buy in better areas where the price points are higher and the returns are risk adjusted.. that means paper returns are less.. but you know investors they tend to not think about tenant risk and go for the highest returns on paper..

User Stats

11,389
Posts
13,092
Votes
Bruce Woodruff
Pro Member
#1 Contractors Contributor
  • Contractor/Investor/Consultant
  • West Valley Phoenix
13,092
Votes |
11,389
Posts
Bruce Woodruff
Pro Member
#1 Contractors Contributor
  • Contractor/Investor/Consultant
  • West Valley Phoenix
Replied

It is somewhat typical (depending on area as Jay said) for a tenant that is getting removed to 'retaliate' against the Landlord....because after all you are the 'big bad guy who threw them out for doing nothing wrong......'

User Stats

2,237
Posts
2,450
Votes
Eric James
  • Malakoff, TX
2,450
Votes |
2,237
Posts
Eric James
  • Malakoff, TX
Replied

Have you reported this theft to the police?

User Stats

14,281
Posts
10,961
Votes
Theresa Harris
Pro Member
#3 Managing Your Property Contributor
10,961
Votes |
14,281
Posts
Theresa Harris
Pro Member
#3 Managing Your Property Contributor
Replied

I agree with the others-report it to the police.  People who get evicted after not paying the rent for a long time re usually not the best people and often leave lot of damage in their wake.

  • Theresa Harris
  • User Stats

    2
    Posts
    0
    Votes
    Gregory Serrano
    • Lender
    • Porter Ranch, CA
    0
    Votes |
    2
    Posts
    Gregory Serrano
    • Lender
    • Porter Ranch, CA
    Replied

    Credit scores are an important indicator of tenant worthiness, but I have also heard that $60k a year (in most markets) is the magic number/ minimum income number for most good tenants. An individual making $60k a year+ will bring less problems (markets may vary). I hope this helps.

    User Stats

    3,943
    Posts
    2,306
    Votes
    Michael Smythe
    Property Manager
    #4 Off Topic Contributor
    • Property Manager
    • Metro Detroit
    2,306
    Votes |
    3,943
    Posts
    Michael Smythe
    Property Manager
    #4 Off Topic Contributor
    • Property Manager
    • Metro Detroit
    Replied

    @Pramod Prasad this happens ALL THE TIME with Class C and D properties!

    Occasionally with Class B- properties.

    It's usually linked to the tenants or the neighbors!

    If it's not them directly, it's their family or friends.

    Who else knows the property is vacant so quickly?

    No aware of anyone that has figured out how to stop it.

    So, you either sell or work the cost into your ROI.

    User Stats

    177
    Posts
    98
    Votes
    Tracy Minick
    Property Manager
    • Rental Property Investor
    • Monroe, wa
    98
    Votes |
    177
    Posts
    Tracy Minick
    Property Manager
    • Rental Property Investor
    • Monroe, wa
    Replied

    I like to think that everything happens for a reason and that there is something to learn from every experience. Unlikely no need to change property management, they too are motivated to protect your home and have it rent ready.  This occurs and could have been vindictive tenants or simply a robbery. It is likely an insurance claim due to a form of vandalism. Your property manager will assist in providing access to the insurance adjuster and getting you back on track.

    User Stats

    78
    Posts
    23
    Votes
    Amanda Lizana
    • Property Manager
    • Kansas City, MO
    23
    Votes |
    78
    Posts
    Amanda Lizana
    • Property Manager
    • Kansas City, MO
    Replied

    I agree that this does happen and it's not typically the property manager's fault. It's always unfortunate though. Reach out if you need anything.