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Post: Does Anyone Have Stories About 1970s-1980s Real Estate Investing?
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Quote from @Jacob Thorpe:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Jacob Thorpe:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Jacob Thorpe:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Tekoa Dasilva:
Does anybody have stories about investing in real estate (any kind) during the volatile 1970s-1980s? Any idea how the inflation & high interest rates affected the RE market/s?
Thanks for any comment!
Everything was closely guarded by real estate agents and their weekly published MLS listings in black and white.
Gas lines were two hours long to get half a tank.
We were told interest rates would never go below 6%, the current rate was 8%
What did you have a question about? That's a long time ago in a different world.
well 70s was carbon paper.. and rates were about 9% . Listings were published in a book and realtors kept all the keys in their office there were no lock box's you had to go to the listing brokers office and check out the keys.
Amortizations were all done in the little book that title companies handed out.. rates went from 6% as noted to 24% .. and were done by 100.00 incredments and by year time frames
so if you wanted to know the payment on a 45k loan at 10% for 7 years you found the 10%page and then 40k ( went up to about 200k) then the 5k the payment was spelled out and you added the two together to get the monthly payment.. ONLY lenders had computers to figure out apr etc. I used that book for all my seller finance contracts and bout wore it out.. most of my seller carry in those days was 10% to 18% for 5 to 10 years..
How do you feel about 'disruptive' technologies, how were you able to take your skill from finding information and deals this way, to how they are done in todays world?
I just muddle along with Tech changes not really my forte at all.. Most important thing to me is I learned how to type very vast in high school.. thats been the most important to me.. I cant really use the computer except to e mail.. I dont know how to do most any function with it I just learned how to copy and paste a few years ago.. So for today If my scanner is working thats what I live on.. I close quite a few deals every month generally 10 to 15 either buying or selling so . the other thing is docusign I know how to sign them but I have no clue how to load them in the computer.. my staff does it all for me.. I dont need to know this stuff I hire people to do it for me.. And i spend my time making deals or typing BP responses.:) And travelling to my clients place of business and helping them do RE deals.. I was taught RE is belly to belly so I fly 100k plus miles a year visiting the markets I work.. Love my job.. and its not a job its a lifestyle.. RE has always been a lifestyle for me personally.
Haha I love that, I was born into the computer world but the way you describe finding real estate deals back then reminds me of a scene out of lord of the rings. Gandalf in the bowels of Minis Tirinth combing through ancient scrolls to find information on the one ring.. or.. the one deal to rule them all! Probably a nerdy reference but I am from the town that invented Dungeons & Dragons, Lake Geneva Wisconsin. You should come out to Lake Geneva sometime. Lots to offer here for heavy hitters, and intermediates like myself. We are a town of seven thousand but the city pulls in almost 100m a year from tourism alone. Opera has, or use to have a house around here. Plenty of good real estate from mansions, multi-million luxury homes, big second home market for vacationers to undeveloped lots and everything in between. Although when youre looking up, everything looks amazing and big, so maybe a more experienced eye would say differently.
I have been there.. the old money mansions are awesome, the lake is so
pretty with the crystal clear water.. My mom is from Milwaukee and I
have relatives that live at Lake Pewaukee and when my mom was alive she
went back every summer for the state fair.. And as a young kid I spent
my summers with my grandparents.. they had a cabin on Lake Poygan.. by
Winneconne . fond memories.. I funded one flipper over in the two towns
just south of Madison.. but he died mid stream and I had to just
liquidate the properties..
Lake Geneva though is OLD Chicago Money and or BEER money from Milwaukee it appeared to me. great spot.
Honestly, I cant say I am surprised. Big old money here for sure. Run into some very wealthy folks at the dog park, which is always interesting. Sorry to hear about your friend, I have recently lost a deal because of similar circumstance, investor had a death in the family. Those types of things can throw curve balls but in my opinion, at the end of the day it wouldnt be worth much without friends and family and I understand his loss.
That is very cool your mom is from milwaukee, you are Wisconsinite in my book. If you got to see Milwaukee in its glory days, that is awesome. The upper east side is still beautiful right on the lake, but many of the other districts have tapered off when the big jobs left. Lake Geneva and Walworth county is beautiful, they keep it pretty clean with strict conservation and zoning... DNR pays close attention here as well. They just passed another conservation ordinance for rural, and if you want to even add an addition to your property within LG city limits you've got to cough up 10k for the general permit alone. So, to the chagrin of some developers it can get a little expensive at times but on the flip side of that coin it provides kind of a firewall so that what ever is being built is being built with a strong intention. I think in that manner, you get some pretty cool people moving in and less "black rock, mega corp" style development projects. The guy from Reno911 just moved here a few months ago. Thomas Lennon who played Jim Dangles.
love that Show.. My grandfather was a bus driver in Milwaukee and when I spent the summers there in the mid 60s I would ride with him all day on the bus. So saw a lot of the city.. But one summer was the race riots and that was pretty wild.. my Grandfather would put me in front of the front seat and cover me with a blanket when we went down town to pick up grandma after she got off.. she worked at Gimbles..
on my drive around Lake G I topped into a new development Large lots nice Modern Farm house designs much like what I build in my developments but definitely next level from what we build and prices were not bad I think under a million..
One thing I really enjoy about what I do is I actually go out to all my markets spend time there and get to know the local areas etc..
thankfully the deals i did for this guy in SW WI I did as a capital partners so I owned them and did not have to foreclose or go through his probate etc.. He passed and next week I listed them and started liquidating them.. we about broke even .. So not horrid but we resolved it.. He fell into a diabetic coma and passed he was not at all healthy so I was not surprised.
Post: Why Novation Are Better Than Wholesaling
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Quote from @James Wise:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @James Wise:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @James Wise:
Quote from @Dawson Brewer:
Here’s why I’ve started using novations over wholesaling.
1. Sellers Get More Money
With wholesaling, sellers often need to take a low cash offer. With novations, I can offer closer to market value by selling to retail buyers, making it easier to get deals accepted.
2. Bigger Assignment Fees
Instead of selling to investors looking for steep discounts, I market to end buyers willing to pay market price. This means I make more per deal than a typical wholesale assignment.
3. No Double Closings or Hard Money
Since the seller stays on title, I don’t have to use hard money or worry about double closing fees. I just facilitate the sale and collect my fee at closing.
4. More Buyers, Less Competition
Wholesaling relies on a limited pool of cash buyers. Novations open up the MLS and conventional financing, bringing in a larger pool of buyers and reducing competition from other wholesalers.
5. Easier to Scale
With less reliance on deep-discount deals and cash buyers, I can scale novations faster than traditional wholesaling.
Final Thoughts
I’m not saying wholesaling is dead, but novations have helped me close deals I would’ve lost before. Anyone else using novations? What’s been your experience?
What in the holy hell is a novation?
its just another method of flipping a contract..
So wholesaling but we changed the name?
basically you can google the definition. there are some guru's teaching it these days.
lol..........I should have known that this nerd would be involved with this B/S.
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YUP..
Post: Does Anyone Have Stories About 1970s-1980s Real Estate Investing?
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- Lake Oswego OR Summerlin, NV
- Posts 42,698
- Votes 62,874
Quote from @Jacob Thorpe:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Jacob Thorpe:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Tekoa Dasilva:
Does anybody have stories about investing in real estate (any kind) during the volatile 1970s-1980s? Any idea how the inflation & high interest rates affected the RE market/s?
Thanks for any comment!
Everything was closely guarded by real estate agents and their weekly published MLS listings in black and white.
Gas lines were two hours long to get half a tank.
We were told interest rates would never go below 6%, the current rate was 8%
What did you have a question about? That's a long time ago in a different world.
well 70s was carbon paper.. and rates were about 9% . Listings were published in a book and realtors kept all the keys in their office there were no lock box's you had to go to the listing brokers office and check out the keys.
Amortizations were all done in the little book that title companies handed out.. rates went from 6% as noted to 24% .. and were done by 100.00 incredments and by year time frames
so if you wanted to know the payment on a 45k loan at 10% for 7 years you found the 10%page and then 40k ( went up to about 200k) then the 5k the payment was spelled out and you added the two together to get the monthly payment.. ONLY lenders had computers to figure out apr etc. I used that book for all my seller finance contracts and bout wore it out.. most of my seller carry in those days was 10% to 18% for 5 to 10 years..
How do you feel about 'disruptive' technologies, how were you able to take your skill from finding information and deals this way, to how they are done in todays world?
I just muddle along with Tech changes not really my forte at all.. Most important thing to me is I learned how to type very vast in high school.. thats been the most important to me.. I cant really use the computer except to e mail.. I dont know how to do most any function with it I just learned how to copy and paste a few years ago.. So for today If my scanner is working thats what I live on.. I close quite a few deals every month generally 10 to 15 either buying or selling so . the other thing is docusign I know how to sign them but I have no clue how to load them in the computer.. my staff does it all for me.. I dont need to know this stuff I hire people to do it for me.. And i spend my time making deals or typing BP responses.:) And travelling to my clients place of business and helping them do RE deals.. I was taught RE is belly to belly so I fly 100k plus miles a year visiting the markets I work.. Love my job.. and its not a job its a lifestyle.. RE has always been a lifestyle for me personally.
Haha I love that, I was born into the computer world but the way you describe finding real estate deals back then reminds me of a scene out of lord of the rings. Gandalf in the bowels of Minis Tirinth combing through ancient scrolls to find information on the one ring.. or.. the one deal to rule them all! Probably a nerdy reference but I am from the town that invented Dungeons & Dragons, Lake Geneva Wisconsin. You should come out to Lake Geneva sometime. Lots to offer here for heavy hitters, and intermediates like myself. We are a town of seven thousand but the city pulls in almost 100m a year from tourism alone. Opera has, or use to have a house around here. Plenty of good real estate from mansions, multi-million luxury homes, big second home market for vacationers to undeveloped lots and everything in between. Although when youre looking up, everything looks amazing and big, so maybe a more experienced eye would say differently.
I have been there.. the old money mansions are awesome, the lake is so
pretty with the crystal clear water.. My mom is from Milwaukee and I
have relatives that live at Lake Pewaukee and when my mom was alive she
went back every summer for the state fair.. And as a young kid I spent
my summers with my grandparents.. they had a cabin on Lake Poygan.. by
Winneconne . fond memories.. I funded one flipper over in the two towns
just south of Madison.. but he died mid stream and I had to just
liquidate the properties..
Lake Geneva though is OLD Chicago Money and or BEER money from Milwaukee it appeared to me. great spot.
Post: Why Novation Are Better Than Wholesaling
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Quote from @James Wise:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @James Wise:
Quote from @Dawson Brewer:
Here’s why I’ve started using novations over wholesaling.
1. Sellers Get More Money
With wholesaling, sellers often need to take a low cash offer. With novations, I can offer closer to market value by selling to retail buyers, making it easier to get deals accepted.
2. Bigger Assignment Fees
Instead of selling to investors looking for steep discounts, I market to end buyers willing to pay market price. This means I make more per deal than a typical wholesale assignment.
3. No Double Closings or Hard Money
Since the seller stays on title, I don’t have to use hard money or worry about double closing fees. I just facilitate the sale and collect my fee at closing.
4. More Buyers, Less Competition
Wholesaling relies on a limited pool of cash buyers. Novations open up the MLS and conventional financing, bringing in a larger pool of buyers and reducing competition from other wholesalers.
5. Easier to Scale
With less reliance on deep-discount deals and cash buyers, I can scale novations faster than traditional wholesaling.
Final Thoughts
I’m not saying wholesaling is dead, but novations have helped me close deals I would’ve lost before. Anyone else using novations? What’s been your experience?
What in the holy hell is a novation?
its just another method of flipping a contract..
So wholesaling but we changed the name?
basically you can google the definition. there are some guru's teaching it these days.
Post: Why Novation Are Better Than Wholesaling
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- Lender
- Lake Oswego OR Summerlin, NV
- Posts 42,698
- Votes 62,874
Quote from @James Wise:
Quote from @Dawson Brewer:
Here’s why I’ve started using novations over wholesaling.
1. Sellers Get More Money
With wholesaling, sellers often need to take a low cash offer. With novations, I can offer closer to market value by selling to retail buyers, making it easier to get deals accepted.
2. Bigger Assignment Fees
Instead of selling to investors looking for steep discounts, I market to end buyers willing to pay market price. This means I make more per deal than a typical wholesale assignment.
3. No Double Closings or Hard Money
Since the seller stays on title, I don’t have to use hard money or worry about double closing fees. I just facilitate the sale and collect my fee at closing.
4. More Buyers, Less Competition
Wholesaling relies on a limited pool of cash buyers. Novations open up the MLS and conventional financing, bringing in a larger pool of buyers and reducing competition from other wholesalers.
5. Easier to Scale
With less reliance on deep-discount deals and cash buyers, I can scale novations faster than traditional wholesaling.
Final Thoughts
I’m not saying wholesaling is dead, but novations have helped me close deals I would’ve lost before. Anyone else using novations? What’s been your experience?
What in the holy hell is a novation?
its just another method of flipping a contract..
Post: Does Anyone Have Stories About 1970s-1980s Real Estate Investing?
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Quote from @JD Martin:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @JD Martin:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Tekoa Dasilva:
Does anybody have stories about investing in real estate (any kind) during the volatile 1970s-1980s? Any idea how the inflation & high interest rates affected the RE market/s?
Thanks for any comment!
Everything was closely guarded by real estate agents and their weekly published MLS listings in black and white.
Gas lines were two hours long to get half a tank.
We were told interest rates would never go below 6%, the current rate was 8%
What did you have a question about? That's a long time ago in a different world.
well 70s was carbon paper.. and rates were about 9% . Listings were published in a book and realtors kept all the keys in their office there were no lock box's you had to go to the listing brokers office and check out the keys.
Amortizations were all done in the little book that title companies handed out.. rates went from 6% as noted to 24% .. and were done by 100.00 incredments and by year time frames
so if you wanted to know the payment on a 45k loan at 10% for 7 years you found the 10%page and then 40k ( went up to about 200k) then the 5k the payment was spelled out and you added the two together to get the monthly payment.. ONLY lenders had computers to figure out apr etc. I used that book for all my seller finance contracts and bout wore it out.. most of my seller carry in those days was 10% to 18% for 5 to 10 years..
Jay I still have one of those books hanging around. The low interest rate in the book starts at 8% and goes up to 24%. Just to show how old the book is!
My father used to run one of those Real Estate guides. My mother did the typesetting and he did most of the sales calls to the broker offices. We'd get them printed monthly and once a month would go to Newark to pick up truckloads of bundles of new books, which I then delivered to grocery stores, pharmacies, etc as my father pulled up in front of the stores. At 9 years old I could carry in 2 bundles, slice them open with a box cutter, pack the display stand, and collect the old previous month books in about 1-2 minutes maximum. We'd spend about 2 weeks delivering all the bundles and I was the "free" labor until I finally negotiated 10 cents a bundle from my old man.
LOL in the 60s my dad was a RE salesmen . And he did land. U know (Glen Garry Glen Ross) I sat through some of those sales meetings pre 10 year old.. Where they handed out 2 or 3 leads a week just like the movie.. That Movie was dead accurate how that industry worked in those days.. So you can imagine a 9 to 10 year old hanging around the Al Pacino type guys and all the sales stuff they talked about .. learned a lot from those old pros that helped me start at 18.
But what my dad figured out was he was going to starve at 3 leads a week. So he went out and bought an old printing press ( small one ) put it in the garage and after school my job was to print off 5k flyers .. then on Sat. and Sunday once a month myself and 3 or 4 of my friends who wanted to make 5 bucks for the day.. My dad or mom would drive us to the neighbohood early in the morning ( kind of like a newspaper delivery kid) and we would do door hangers till about 1pm.. Today it would be child abuse of course no one would let a 10 year old go walking through neighborhoods like that.. But any way the flyers had a tear off that had bulk postage on it and you filled it out if you wanted more information the property being sold. So My dad would end up with 50 to 75 leads for the month all self produced ( which was legal at the company) And within about 18 months was number one sales men then about 2 years after that he went out on his own and started buying his own land to flip. He bought bigger printing press and for years would put out 100k to 200k door hangers a month.. With a dedicated employee.. the door hanger guys were the HOBO's they would pick up at the Y when they got kicked out at 6am every day.. these guys were paid 20 bucks a day and a pack of smokes.. during high school I used to drive of the vans myself So lots of interaction with that day and age homeless or houseless or Hobos etc.. some interesting conversations with those folks.
RE is a belly to belly bizz.. So when i started at 18 I used to go to these appointments just like Al Pacino in the movie or Jack Lemmon sit in the houses show my maps and pictures and help them choose their lot of their dream. And being totally humble I was a closer and at that point I know the money was in commish.
🤣🤣 I love it, those days feel like another lifetime really. Yes, you are right about the child labor laws imagine these days if people saw a 9 year old swinging a box cutter and carrying bundles of magazines almost as heavy as he was! I didn't get the benefit of hanging around guys who knew anything, the press guys were all blue collar stiffs that were going paycheck to paycheck and my father was making sales calls while I was in school so it was pretty rare I got to see those. One thing I did learn was how to talk to all different kinds of people from bums on the street to corporate presidents and everyone in between, which I think helped me later down the road as someone who was always kind of considered as relatable. Like you said RE is a people business and if you are uncomfortable with people you probably aren't going far.
bottom line people our age actually worked at 8 9 10 years old did not sit home playing computer games LOL.. although kids doing that today and have a knack for it and go into tech later do quite well of course :) I mean for me it was 57 to 60 years ago I am just thankful today I am alive and well and can read and type and still work :) AND remember those days fondly. My Dad passed about 30 years ago but he certainly gave me a foundation for RE. ANd sales in general.
Post: Does Anyone Have Stories About 1970s-1980s Real Estate Investing?
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Quote from @JD Martin:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Tekoa Dasilva:
Does anybody have stories about investing in real estate (any kind) during the volatile 1970s-1980s? Any idea how the inflation & high interest rates affected the RE market/s?
Thanks for any comment!
Everything was closely guarded by real estate agents and their weekly published MLS listings in black and white.
Gas lines were two hours long to get half a tank.
We were told interest rates would never go below 6%, the current rate was 8%
What did you have a question about? That's a long time ago in a different world.
well 70s was carbon paper.. and rates were about 9% . Listings were published in a book and realtors kept all the keys in their office there were no lock box's you had to go to the listing brokers office and check out the keys.
Amortizations were all done in the little book that title companies handed out.. rates went from 6% as noted to 24% .. and were done by 100.00 incredments and by year time frames
so if you wanted to know the payment on a 45k loan at 10% for 7 years you found the 10%page and then 40k ( went up to about 200k) then the 5k the payment was spelled out and you added the two together to get the monthly payment.. ONLY lenders had computers to figure out apr etc. I used that book for all my seller finance contracts and bout wore it out.. most of my seller carry in those days was 10% to 18% for 5 to 10 years..
Jay I still have one of those books hanging around. The low interest rate in the book starts at 8% and goes up to 24%. Just to show how old the book is!
My father used to run one of those Real Estate guides. My mother did the typesetting and he did most of the sales calls to the broker offices. We'd get them printed monthly and once a month would go to Newark to pick up truckloads of bundles of new books, which I then delivered to grocery stores, pharmacies, etc as my father pulled up in front of the stores. At 9 years old I could carry in 2 bundles, slice them open with a box cutter, pack the display stand, and collect the old previous month books in about 1-2 minutes maximum. We'd spend about 2 weeks delivering all the bundles and I was the "free" labor until I finally negotiated 10 cents a bundle from my old man.
LOL in the 60s my dad was a RE salesmen . And he did land. U know (Glen Garry Glen Ross) I sat through some of those sales meetings pre 10 year old.. Where they handed out 2 or 3 leads a week just like the movie.. That Movie was dead accurate how that industry worked in those days.. So you can imagine a 9 to 10 year old hanging around the Al Pacino type guys and all the sales stuff they talked about .. learned a lot from those old pros that helped me start at 18.
But what my dad figured out was he was going to starve at 3 leads a week. So he went out and bought an old printing press ( small one ) put it in the garage and after school my job was to print off 5k flyers .. then on Sat. and Sunday once a month myself and 3 or 4 of my friends who wanted to make 5 bucks for the day.. My dad or mom would drive us to the neighbohood early in the morning ( kind of like a newspaper delivery kid) and we would do door hangers till about 1pm.. Today it would be child abuse of course no one would let a 10 year old go walking through neighborhoods like that.. But any way the flyers had a tear off that had bulk postage on it and you filled it out if you wanted more information the property being sold. So My dad would end up with 50 to 75 leads for the month all self produced ( which was legal at the company) And within about 18 months was number one sales men then about 2 years after that he went out on his own and started buying his own land to flip. He bought bigger printing press and for years would put out 100k to 200k door hangers a month.. With a dedicated employee.. the door hanger guys were the HOBO's they would pick up at the Y when they got kicked out at 6am every day.. these guys were paid 20 bucks a day and a pack of smokes.. during high school I used to drive of the vans myself So lots of interaction with that day and age homeless or houseless or Hobos etc.. some interesting conversations with those folks.
RE is a belly to belly bizz.. So when i started at 18 I used to go to these appointments just like Al Pacino in the movie or Jack Lemmon sit in the houses show my maps and pictures and help them choose their lot of their dream. And being totally humble I was a closer and at that point I know the money was in commish.
Post: Does Anyone Have Stories About 1970s-1980s Real Estate Investing?
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Quote from @Tekoa Dasilva:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Tekoa Dasilva:
Does anybody have stories about investing in real estate (any kind) during the volatile 1970s-1980s? Any idea how the inflation & high interest rates affected the RE market/s?
Thanks for any comment!
Everything was closely guarded by real estate agents and their weekly published MLS listings in black and white.
Gas lines were two hours long to get half a tank.
We were told interest rates would never go below 6%, the current rate was 8%
What did you have a question about? That's a long time ago in a different world.
well 70s was carbon paper.. and rates were about 9% . Listings were published in a book and realtors kept all the keys in their office there were no lock box's you had to go to the listing brokers office and check out the keys.
Amortizations were all done in the little book that title companies handed out.. rates went from 6% as noted to 24% .. and were done by 100.00 incredments and by year time frames
so if you wanted to know the payment on a 45k loan at 10% for 7 years you found the 10%page and then 40k ( went up to about 200k) then the 5k the payment was spelled out and you added the two together to get the monthly payment.. ONLY lenders had computers to figure out apr etc. I used that book for all my seller finance contracts and bout wore it out.. most of my seller carry in those days was 10% to 18% for 5 to 10 years..
Honored to see your reply Sir. I've enjoyed your interviews. I also wondered, during those 20%+ interest-rate mortgage days, did some segments of the market go 'no-bid' - in other words, did cash buyers have a very advantageous circumstance?
All investors look forward to this concept I suppose, but curious if we'll see days ahead where 'nobody' (with regard to the general public) will want to buy real estate 'at any price' - as it seems to happen in other types of asset markets from time to time.
closest I saw that happen ( nobody buying) was 08 to 2011.. when investor loans left the building .. And RE at least at the bP level was being traded with cash only.. thats why so many that started in 2010 to 2012 got smokin deals.
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Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Tekoa Dasilva:
Does anybody have stories about investing in real estate (any kind) during the volatile 1970s-1980s? Any idea how the inflation & high interest rates affected the RE market/s?
Thanks for any comment!
Everything was closely guarded by real estate agents and their weekly published MLS listings in black and white.
Gas lines were two hours long to get half a tank.
We were told interest rates would never go below 6%, the current rate was 8%
What did you have a question about? That's a long time ago in a different world.
well 70s was carbon paper.. and rates were about 9% . Listings were published in a book and realtors kept all the keys in their office there were no lock box's you had to go to the listing brokers office and check out the keys.
Amortizations were all done in the little book that title companies handed out.. rates went from 6% as noted to 24% .. and were done by 100.00 incredments and by year time frames
so if you wanted to know the payment on a 45k loan at 10% for 7 years you found the 10%page and then 40k ( went up to about 200k) then the 5k the payment was spelled out and you added the two together to get the monthly payment.. ONLY lenders had computers to figure out apr etc. I used that book for all my seller finance contracts and bout wore it out.. most of my seller carry in those days was 10% to 18% for 5 to 10 years..
How do you feel about 'disruptive' technologies, how were you able to take your skill from finding information and deals this way, to how they are done in todays world?
I just muddle along with Tech changes not really my forte at all.. Most important thing to me is I learned how to type very vast in high school.. thats been the most important to me.. I cant really use the computer except to e mail.. I dont know how to do most any function with it I just learned how to copy and paste a few years ago.. So for today If my scanner is working thats what I live on.. I close quite a few deals every month generally 10 to 15 either buying or selling so . the other thing is docusign I know how to sign them but I have no clue how to load them in the computer.. my staff does it all for me.. I dont need to know this stuff I hire people to do it for me.. And i spend my time making deals or typing BP responses.:) And travelling to my clients place of business and helping them do RE deals.. I was taught RE is belly to belly so I fly 100k plus miles a year visiting the markets I work.. Love my job.. and its not a job its a lifestyle.. RE has always been a lifestyle for me personally.
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- Lake Oswego OR Summerlin, NV
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Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Tekoa Dasilva:
Does anybody have stories about investing in real estate (any kind) during the volatile 1970s-1980s? Any idea how the inflation & high interest rates affected the RE market/s?
Thanks for any comment!
Everything was closely guarded by real estate agents and their weekly published MLS listings in black and white.
Gas lines were two hours long to get half a tank.
We were told interest rates would never go below 6%, the current rate was 8%
What did you have a question about? That's a long time ago in a different world.
well 70s was carbon paper.. and rates were about 9% . Listings were published in a book and realtors kept all the keys in their office there were no lock box's you had to go to the listing brokers office and check out the keys.
Amortizations were all done in the little book that title companies handed out.. rates went from 6% as noted to 24% .. and were done by 100.00 incredments and by year time frames
so if you wanted to know the payment on a 45k loan at 10% for 7 years you found the 10%page and then 40k ( went up to about 200k) then the 5k the payment was spelled out and you added the two together to get the monthly payment.. ONLY lenders had computers to figure out apr etc. I used that book for all my seller finance contracts and bout wore it out.. most of my seller carry in those days was 10% to 18% for 5 to 10 years..