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Updated about 2 years ago, 12/06/2022

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How to get a contractor to meet their timeliness?

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I've had so much trouble getting contractors to just get CLOSE to what their job time line estimates were. Any tricks or ideas to put into a contract to incentivize a realistic time line? Some kind of money incentive? Some kind of legally binding contract? How do you do this without pissing off the contractor, or making them simply disappear if they go over the time frame? 

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Quote from @Scott K.:

I've had so much trouble getting contractors to just get CLOSE to what their job time line estimates were. Any tricks or ideas to put into a contract to incentivize a realistic time line? Some kind of money incentive? Some kind of legally binding contract? How do you do this without pissing off the contractor, or making them simply disappear if they go over the time frame? 


 Ugghhh… you’re operating in the Poconos, right? Good luck - the Poconos workforce is garbage 😢 

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Penalties in the contract that accrue per day they are late. They will then give you priority. 

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    Quote from @Scott K.:

    I've had so much trouble getting contractors to just get CLOSE to what their job time line estimates were. Any tricks or ideas to put into a contract to incentivize a realistic time line? Some kind of money incentive? Some kind of legally binding contract? How do you do this without pissing off the contractor, or making them simply disappear if they go over the time frame? 

     Yep, you tell them you finish on time I will give you more work, or if this is your only job, you will give them a 5% bonus. If not penalize them 

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    Lolol, I love all the ambition in this thread. There isn’t a single contractor in the Poconos who will sign any agreement with a penalty clause in it 🤣🤣🤣

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    If no contractor will sign a penalty clause, incentivize them to hit budget and time deadlines instead.  The flip side is once they realize they will not hit their bonus you may be de-prioritized.

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    Quote from @Scott K.:

    I've had so much trouble getting contractors to just get CLOSE to what their job time line estimates were. Any tricks or ideas to put into a contract to incentivize a realistic time line? Some kind of money incentive? Some kind of legally binding contract? How do you do this without pissing off the contractor, or making them simply disappear if they go over the time frame? 


    Hey Scott,

    What I used to do whenever contractors never finished the work early, I would incentivize them if they got the job done at a specific date that I wanted, this has worked for me most of the time and it allows to build a better working relationship with your contractor and ensures that they also don't do a bad job. Also on another note, make sure that you have the contractor to write out a written timeline on when the job will be finished so that you both have the right expectations.

    If this approach doesn't work, then I would just recommend looking for someone else, most of the time it isn't worth the trouble going after them with an attorney. There's always someone willing to do the work and someone that can finish it within your proposed timeline. 

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    Let me know when you figure it out!  It is an issue everywhere due to the nature of contractors taking on too much work.  This is usually why folks in real estate get a contractors license.

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    Get them on a payment schedule, make a list of things that need to get done before payments. If project is 60k I split the payments into 4 draws of 12k, and rest upon final walkthrough 

    If your contractor gets pissed from a contract fire them 

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    Quote from @Mark Miles:

    Lolol, I love all the ambition in this thread. There isn’t a single contractor in the Poconos who will sign any agreement with a penalty clause in it 🤣🤣🤣


     I dont know a single contractor that would sign a homeowners contract , the contractor provides the contract and it certainly doesnt have a penalty clause . 

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    I agree with others that the carrot works better than the stick. However, projects running beyond schedule is almost universally true, from us little guys to big multi-million dollar projects. To protect yourself, run your numbers to account for projects taking twice or even three times as long as expected.  

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    If you can get them to agree to it, offer a bonus for finishing early and penalties for finishing late. For example, if they need 30 days for the job, give them a 5% bonus if they finish five days early and a 5% penalty if they are more than one week late, 10% penalty if two or more weeks late.

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    Withholding pay usually works, and allows me to find someone else if necessary 

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    Quote from @Eliott Elias:

    Get them on a payment schedule, make a list of things that need to get done before payments. If project is 60k I split the payments into 4 draws of 12k, and rest upon final walkthrough 

    If your contractor gets pissed from a contract fire them 


     agreed! thats what I like to do

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    Quote from @Nate Sanow:

    Withholding pay usually works, and allows me to find someone else if necessary 


     That is the fastest way to get work to stop . 

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    Quote from @Matthew Paul:
    Quote from @Nate Sanow:

    Withholding pay usually works, and allows me to find someone else if necessary 


     That is the fastest way to get work to stop . 

     @Matthew Paul according to the context of the original posters post, the work already stopped.  Too many get messed over by paying...for stopped (incomplete) work.  

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    Quote from @Nate Sanow:
    Quote from @Matthew Paul:
    Quote from @Nate Sanow:

    Withholding pay usually works, and allows me to find someone else if necessary 


     That is the fastest way to get work to stop . 

     @Matthew Paul according to the context of the original posters post, the work already stopped.  Too many get messed over by paying...for stopped (incomplete) work.  


     The original post was about being behind schedule . Not stopped or incomplete work . The fastest way to get a job to stop is not paying the contractor on time .  

    Delays are normal on a construction project , subs are busy , suppliers are waiting on manufacturers , inspectors are a week behind , change order wasnt signed , etc . 

    Its gotten harder since covid , the biggest problem is finding labor .