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All Forum Posts by: Nate Sanow

Nate Sanow has started 20 posts and replied 1459 times.

Post: Private money from other countries

Nate Sanow
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I would imagine you would still want it to flow through an American bank so you can keep your loans in the 1st position and with a promissory note and all that.  

Post: Looking for investors in Tulsa & Owasso, OK area

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I’m also interested. 
natesanow at kw dot com 

Post: From Texas to Tulsa

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Welcome to town. I’m guessing your rents are near $2,000 per mo ? 

Post: New. Driven. Hungry.

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Welcome to the party. Best wishes to your success!

Post: Where do you find legitimate cash buyers?

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Look at closed deals. Research and skip trace the owner. 

Post: Do you buy older homes for long term rentals?

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Yes I own two that are near 100 years old and I will tell you they are a pain in the you know what compared to all of my post WW2 properties especially post 1980… layouts are better in the last 50 years and energy efficiency is better and I can keep going… HOWEVER to reply to the other aspect of your question, I've found appreciation is better with older properties in areas of the path of progress. Odds are your newer builds are on the outskirts of a city into the suburbs where people fight to get a property if it's affordable. So while that's a great asset you pay more for it typically. Older properties can be picked up for < 50% of ARV and go up in value in rapid ways with urban renewal efforts … I've seen this happen time and time again and so it's worth saying, diversification is ideal. I want some older stuff to gain tons of appreciation and I want to see where that takes me but I also want some newer builds to have less headaches from a maintenance standpoint.

Post: How to utilize my current LLC

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It’s relatively easy, cheap and simple to start an llc - I would just get a second one. 

Post: Columbus/Tulsa/Huntsville - LTR vs. MTR?

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I think it’s worth noting that when you mention a city, a lot of us get hit with a “keyword” notification and the way BP has gotten often that turns into “selling” you our market(s). So with that disclaimer out of the way… Tulsa is a fairly safe bet. The other markets might be as well, but what I know about my market is we saw 2% appreciation throughout our mls last year despite the national news of real estate being in a decline… we are so insulated from the “bubble” conversation. Now, on the inverse, I’ve been calling out insane rent growth on a local level especially because we have a ceiling of wage growth. I want to be wrong here. I want an employer to come in with 9000 6 figure jobs. But our median household income is roughly $50,000 depending on which google search research you look at.. I find this to be a relevant income level for most of our tenant pool, unless you’re focusing on our A class areas of course…. (But A class usually doesn’t cash flow because you compete with owner occupants to acquire). So what I’m saying is, we aren’t that bad and we aren’t that great. We do cash flow, we do appreciate, and we don’t crash that hard when the rest of the nation does. I jokingly say it’s because we are already near the bottom :-) my colleagues don’t always love that. You should check out all 3 markets and interview a lot of folks. I’d love to be one of them in Tulsa and am here to have a conversation if that’s of interest. I do have all my eggs in this basket because I do believe that we are growing and improving ahead of many comparable midwestern states. 

Post: Long Distance Property #1

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Welcome to the Tulsa market. 

Post: Str Market Cities: 200k-400k

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Quote from @Will Fraser:

And as further demonstration of why many (or most) STR owners in tertiary markets (like OKC, Tulsa, Wichita, etc) are seeing a diminishing return please see this conversation. Many MANY cashflow junkies have seen that with $12-15k up front they can 5x their cashflow and they have brought a flood of STRs to markets that have poorly defined tourism economies.

It will be interesting to watch this unfold over the next 24 months.  Most of all I would hate to be a mid-tier hotel with poor amenities in these markets!

 @Will Fraser you make an interesting point. It's something I've processed almost subconsciously without your exact articulation. I'm bullish on OKC and Ttown I think they are great markets and I have owned properties in both. I think that they mirror as parallel's with different dynamics (eg OKC has a pro sports team, tulsa has tons of arts and music) but I also feel like they both have a ceiling of expectation. That's a ceiling continuously being raised… like "raise the roof" style lol … but it is slow and steady… what I'm saying is to echo your point, I'd be nervous if anyone locally had 50% or more of their portfolio set up as an STR. Even then a healthy mix of the mid term rental approach to attract 30-90 day stays, MTR not STR would be my personal primary approach. As an observation, the numbers don't look that great there after factoring in added costs of utilities and house cleaners let alone furnishings, and the liability of your time. That's largely my opinion but it's also just something that I sense.