@Barry PekinThank you for the advice i like the way you look at things and I’m definitely not one to shy away from competition i was just wondering if there was a way i can tailor my methods to be able to compete in this competitive market.Thanks again Barry!

Other methods are to purchase lists with different motivations and stack them  like absentee owners, 60-90-120 days late on mortgage, pre-foreclosure, delinquent taxes, water cutoff, code violation, evictions, probate, divorce, etc.

I do agree the BRRR idea is most appealing, but finding deals seems cumbersome and requires experience to get right.I will own at least one door by the end of the year and if it goes well, will rinse and repeat as I increase my expertise in the method. 

Their pitch was to learn their method by buying into a 3-day course.

Why is it that every one adapting my methods get similar results, and when they adapt methods like the bigger companies and the like, results seem COMPLETELY random?

@Fred Winer I have heard of these methods and looked into them extensively.

Show me the data where one can conclude lists is a valid lead gen method compared to well any other form.Beck even d4d is better thsn lists because although you have to drive a lot and knock on many doors it still is relatively free.

I have about $125k in my 401k from my job in which I do not plan on waiting until I'm 59 to withdraw or to retire.

Anyone have any insight to either of these methods?

I'll definitely research the RUBS method you mentioned above.