Neither a bigger, fancier residence (implied by the "property ladder"), nor a fancy boat, nor a fancy car would, in my book, constitute an investment.

That implies that all buyers must go through a broker.

They are great to listen to on the bike trainer.

My post was entirely about how things were implied initially and it's been changed.

Is it because of the pains of renting 4 separate units, implying more vacancies, more work/property manager fees to keep them rented?

Which implies that lenders are letting it go.

There are MANY exceptions to this, but I want to imply that I do NOT rely on selling "retail" any of my deals on the market where a primary resident buyer would obtain financing to buy from me or would have that kind of cash. 7.

When we get those that simply make plugs for thier system or arrangement, state over and over thier implied expertise, contrary to the purpose of the forums, working them for an immdeiate benefit, well, I don't care for that.

But your question implies you haven't.

RE is not passive as the name "passive income implies."