@Steve Morris in the beginning yes it’s terrible but after you get a thick skin and get better at it’s a great tool I just wanted to see if anything had changed when I was out of the sales game.

I realize that the skin in the game thing comes up over and over again. 

They have more skin in the game then you do.Make sure you get clear title.

Lenders and investors will want you to have skin in the game once the deal is closed.

Personally I want to see a sponsor that has gone through at least one full real estate cycle with little to no money lost, uses conservative leverage and projections, put significant skin in the game and has competitive/reasonable fees and splits.The thing is that the majority of these really experienced sponsors have built up very enthusiastic investor bases over time, so they are generally not going to crowdfunding sites (where they would have to pay an extra fee) or spending time on forums.

I'm currently irritated with that decision lol

Lenders also want to see a down payment/skin in the game.

You need to have some skin in the game in my opinion. 

Arsenic is not absorbed through the skin and does not evaporate into the air."

There is more than one way to skin a cat.6.