But Hey I lived through it barely and now its a distant memory and I dont want to get a stomach ache thinking about it today  LOL>> carry on.

Places in California have barely known anything but expansion.

I wouldn't have been so upset if they just communicated the hurdles they were facing.

They tried to compensate for this by providing me with an extra list to call which I appreciated but even that proved to bring barely any more lead flow. 

This experience reinforced the need for meticulous planning and adaptability in renovation projects to ensure profitability, even when facing unforeseen challenges.

The people in the room are the people you do business with they have the deals, the money, the services, the knowledge, the legal help and everything else you need to do a deal.You could try to make those connections here on BP, but nothing beats going to a meeting and talking live and face to face - you might event get to meet Andrew, he speaks from time to time - or all those vendors - we had 40 of them in a room last month just for everyone to come ask them questions.So find your local group - where ever it is - find or join several. 

On the face of it, way too high.

My gut is it won't work since it barely cashflow now. 

I understand that people like face-to-face interactions.

Less competition: With less attention from institutional investors, individual buyers often face less fierce bidding wars.6.