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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 16 posts and replied 93 times.

Post: Asset Protection from Anderson Business Advisors or other firms.

Account ClosedPosted
  • Cape Girardeau, MO
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 25

I would actually link in your name, but I'm not that savvy and honestly don't know how to.  Since you are an attorney, you have less excuse than anyone for your previous content.  Also, anonymity compliance was brought up by me so that others would know it is an option.  Do you understand what an option is?  It means that you can choose to dismiss it if you want to since it may not be right for your own business/company.  It also doesn't suit you to respond asking if the big boy pants comment is the best I can do.  I save my good stuff for the grown ups.  You'd need to step up your game to get my good stuff.  When you state not only that you are an attorney and that you've been an attorney for as long as you have been, that only discredits your own push to stop the free exchange of information from others.  I'm disappointed that you would do so with such vigor, but I'm not surprised as I get to know you.  Again, "Someone who is saving a few hundreds bucks from every paycheck to invest, doesn't need a $20K package to invest with."  Again, the arrogance of you actually deciding what other people should invest in is nauseating to say the least.  Also, who said anything about $20K?  The quote I was given was nowhere near $1K, much less $20K.  Again, more speculation.  

When it comes to showing you how I plan to invest, that is the very reason why I added the links to the videos since this is one option that I'm looking at.  "Are you claiming that you have discovered a way to invest that is secret and proven to make millions and you don't want folks stealing it without paying you $50K each?"  I'm really not sure where you're getting this stuff at.  It doesn't even merit a response.  

The funny thing is that I told you that there is no doubt you've got some pearls of wisdom that come with your experience, however by virtue of your experience, you also have less excuse for some of the content that you're vainly attempting to respond back to me with.  

Woah, shooting an unarmed man, a battle of wits.  Little Jerry responds back.  I've been losing sleep from real problems of insurgents coming after me ever since I got back from Iraq because they are against a cause that I'm willing to die for.  You hardly worry me at all.  What you see as a "battle of wits" is where I'm actually learning a FEW things from what you said (including the private message that you sent me where I responded and told you to grow up), but see mostly speculation.  I gave you my number, I completely understand why you didn't call me to talk this out like men.  I'm also not surprised about that either.  Let me know when you've got some content like what you share where you're not coming to conclusions based on "appearances" and what may be gurus, yet you've already been on the phone with them and so on and so forth.  

Post: Asset Protection from Anderson Business Advisors or other firms.

Account ClosedPosted
  • Cape Girardeau, MO
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 25

If you talked to their company and asked folks about them before posting online then why did you previously state they were "probably" high cost amongst other terms you used.  Obviously not from someone who has experience with them.  They "appear" to be gurus.  Hmmm.

Post: My intro + creating an LLC

Account ClosedPosted
  • Cape Girardeau, MO
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 25

I'm planning on the same thing Charles.  If you want to message me, I'll give you the information that I've already had about one option and then I'll also give you the information about another option that was just given to me about 10 minutes ago.  This way you have more information and you can decide what works best for you.  

Post: Asset Protection from Anderson Business Advisors or other firms.

Account ClosedPosted
  • Cape Girardeau, MO
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 25

Dan Schwartz.  That is AWESOME!!!!  Thank you so much for that, I really appreciate it.

Post: Asset Protection from Anderson Business Advisors or other firms.

Account ClosedPosted
  • Cape Girardeau, MO
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 25

Allow me to make something clear here as well.  I'm nowhere near making light of the "concerns" that many have.  I have concerns as well, which is the very reason I'm looking and have been researching asset protection, the "concerns" that I put in quotations in my previous post are directed directly at Jerry W for not doing his homework and making nothing short of assumptions based on APPEARANCES.

Post: Asset Protection from Anderson Business Advisors or other firms.

Account ClosedPosted
  • Cape Girardeau, MO
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 25

So their different levels of pricing "concerns" you.  Now without getting accurate information or getting a consultation from them (aka pulling the trigger) aren't you exercising the same skepticism of paralysis analysis, but with asset protection vice property analysis?  I've got a consultation that lasted 30 minutes and was free.  You have nothing more than "concerns".  Put your big boy pants on.

Because I'm a spread the wealth/knowledge kind of guy in order for the greater community to be able to learn from all the information provided, I'm going to provide 2 links here.  Now, both links are of Clint Coons providing information not only about asset protection, but about charging order protection.  Not only is he a real estate attorney, but he's a real estate investor as well.  Since he does this for a living, (just like Kiyosaki writes books and one of them I quoted earlier), I think this guy "probably" knows what he's talking about.

Now, one of the reasons why I recommend (after watching his video) that company/business structure is set up BEFORE starting to invest is for the reason that he mentions at approximate the 14 minute mark in the 2d video I've provided.  (At least it's important for those looking for anonymity compliance, meaning they don't want anyone to know that they own assets in case someone comes after them).  I include the links because Clint better articulates the setup that I'm choosing that works for me.

See, I'm of the mindset that I'm not going to be the one to decide whether or not the greater BP community can afford to pursue educating themselves about a topic whether it's asset protection or any other topic that is discussed on BP.  These men and women are big boys and girls.  They're in the less than 3% of the population (also from Kiyosaki) that decides to invest in their future and decides to educate themselves.  By virtue of the fact that they decide to educate themselves shows a step forward that 97% of the population doesn't take.  Since they're make that decision, I'm thinking they're smart enough to decide for themselves what they can afford and what is best for them.  If I were them, I would actually be insulted that you would take it upon yourself to decide for me what I can or can't afford.  But that's just me. 

No one has to use the information on the links that I've provided from Clint Coons or use his service, but the information is provided by an attorney who himself is a real estate investor.  Now, does setting up my company according to the structure that Clint discusses in his video delay me from pulling the trigger on stepping forward and making my first investment?  Absolutely, but I'm more than ok with that because (for me) asset protection is a serious concern of mine.  Since I'm taking the time to invest and build my baby (company) from the ground up, I want to protect that investment company as well.  Who are you to say that me taking my hard earned and deserved money and putting it into asset protection is a waste of money.  Don't use asset protection, good on you and I seriously hope that you never have to use it.  If you've never had anybody come after you for any litigation, that's awesome too, but not everyone will be as fortunate.  I make a bit more money than the average person because of disability benefits coming it and I CHOOSE to use that money initially to create asset protection. 

You don't need to protect anyone from anything.  Again, these are big boys and girls who can and will make up their minds for themselves.  Have you contacted ANY attorney regardless of whether or not it's Clint Coons and received the information first hand?  I have.  Have you received a consultation?  I have.  "I'm not trying to discourage the free exchange of information, I am trying to keep you from helping what APPEARS to be a glorified GURU sales pitch to folks who don't need it and at a grossly inflated price IN MY OPINION."  I just quoted you making a statement using nothing more than speculation on your part, not to mention the fact that IN YOUR OPINION, you're going to decide what's best for me because you know my business/company plan so well that you're the one that's in the best place to make those kinds of decisions for me.  Hmmm.  What "APPEARS to be a glorified GURU", you don't know, but you're asserting and making it very clear that he "appears" to be a guru.  "to folks who don't need it", so you know what the entire BP community needs now.  Maybe you should start your own website since you're the one in the best place to decide what's good and bad for the folks of BP, but maybe call it smaller pockets since you know that the income of the community of BP can't attain or maintain the structuring mentioned by someone who "APPEARS to be a glorified GURU".  Hmm.  I'm not so arrogant to think I'm the one in a position to make that choice for the greater BP community.  I can make that choice for me and only for me.  If you do start "smaller pockets", let me know how that works out for you.  But since we're actually having this conversation on BIGGERPOCKETS, I'm thinking let THIS community decide for themselves.  I honestly don't think I've ever come in contact with someone so arrogant as to think he actually knows what's best for the rest of the community, not to mention that you only state speculation because you've never talked to anyone directly yourself. 

Just by your assumptions and speculation alone, I'm thinking that the BP community can decide for themselves that while you, yourself, do have your wisdom that you can share with the community, that your lack of knowledge in asset protection and arrogance to thinking that you know what's best for the rest of the community will lead others to decide for themselves if they give credibility to your posts.  By virtue of the fact that you're the arrogant, I'll do my own due diligence before applying/implementing anything you suggest based on what "APPEARS" to be certain to you.

In closing, the videos, nor I said anything about no one being personally sued, but ironically enough, that's something else that Clint Coons talks about.  Are you an attorney?  Given the legal forum that many find themselves in today because of trigger happy frivolous lawsuits that are filed everyday, do YOU have any information about asset protection that can protect these people.  The way I see it is that while many dismiss asset protection (and that's more than ok), there are those who WILL face legal issues down the road through no fault of their own.  The way I see it, I can't afford NOT to have asset protection.  Now, again, put on your big boy pants and go watch the videos.  When you're done (IF you watch them), try NOT to make speculation based on information that you do NOT have because of how you THINK something "appears". 

Post: Favorite ways to find good contractors?

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  • Cape Girardeau, MO
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 25

I like what Nate Waters says.  That's actually what I was going to say, but he beat me to it.  I heard it on the same podcast probably.

Post: My intro + creating an LLC

Account ClosedPosted
  • Cape Girardeau, MO
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 25

I'm not an investor yet.  My due diligence brought me to know about asset protection what was only something that I understood in concept before.  I'm brand new to real estate investing and been researching for years, but now am taking the plunge, but getting my company structure taken care of first.  There are those who don't use a company structure or don't see the need for it and they don't use it for them.  But I'm using it for me because it just makes sense.  I can't drive a car off the lot (or drive a car PERIOD) if I don't have protection for insurance and while my car is one of my babies, my INVESTMENT is my baby that I'm building from the ground up.  If I'm going to take the time to invest, I'm going to take the time to protect that same investment if you know what I mean.  Message me if you want to talk more about it.

Post: My intro + creating an LLC

Account ClosedPosted
  • Cape Girardeau, MO
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 25

Hey, I just realized something.  I want to correct something that I just posted a minute ago.  You do NOT need to be registered to do business in a state in order to do business in that state.  People invest online all the time without being registered, however, it is still true that if someone comes after you through the court, you have no recourse if you're not registered as a business.  Sorry about the confusing post that I just made.

Post: My intro + creating an LLC

Account ClosedPosted
  • Cape Girardeau, MO
  • Posts 101
  • Votes 25

What a lot of this comes down is this. You do need to be registered to do business in the state(s) that you want to invest in. That is just one good reason to have an LLC in that state. Besides asset protection, LLCs are what give you the authorization to do business in that specific state. PLUS, if something happens (i.e. someone files a lawsuit against you) you can't counter-file if you're not registered to do business in that state. Hopefully that never happens to you and it doesn't happen to a lot of good investors, but you need to know that there are no counter-options for you to take if you're not registered in that state, typically through an LLC. Since you're doing your due diligence on this, like I've been doing an I'm new as well, you might want to research asset protection to see what fits your business goals. You can not only google it, but you can find some really good videos on youtube that specifically talk about asset protection. Even if you don't use the firms that are putting on the videos, you can get a wealth of information about asset protection.