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All Forum Posts by: Victor Ong

Victor Ong has started 10 posts and replied 79 times.

CA judicial council are considering accepting summons as early as 8-3rd.

https://www.kqed.org/news/11823891/california-courts-halt-plan-to-lift-eviction-moratorium-in-august

Post: Newbie from Los Angeles, California

Victor OngPosted
  • Developer
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 90
  • Votes 50

Came at the right time. There will be a wave of foreclosures coming. Just have to be patient. We expect Q4 to be the breaking point.

Post: House Hacking in Los Angeles During the Pandemic

Victor OngPosted
  • Developer
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 90
  • Votes 50

@Micah Flamm

7/31 but will most likely be extended.

Post: Buying multifamily in Alhambra, CA

Victor OngPosted
  • Developer
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 90
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Originally posted by @Jennifer Chan:
Originally posted by @Victor Ong:
Originally posted by @Boris Suchkov:

@Robert Chuang Thanks, it's good to hear the city is pro-development. I'd be happy to chat!

@Victor Ong There are properties in the city very close to the much more expensive cities of South Pasadena and San Marino that are affordable and in a great school district.

I see. But there's a cap on the rent, while property cost is relatively high compared to certain pockets of LA city. Very similar environment to Asia where you have low yield on the cashflow but property value is trading at high multiples. There's also going to be a lot of competition if you are able to nail down a REO or distressed.

 Why is there a cap on the rent?

It will be tough to push the market rent. The demographics doesn't appreciate the higher end decor and hip area like those in NELA.

Cap rate underwriting is an incomplete approach on assessing deals. The drawback of cap rate is that the metric only looks at EBITDA over All In at a point in time but not account for the whole investment horizon. 

Cap rate could also be deceiving as rental income fluctuates due to several factors: market conditions, regulations, management/owner knowledge/experience, and others...

If you are looking for a healthy cash on cash return, you would need 200-250bps of spread between the bank financing and going in cap. For example, if you are getting 4% interest rate from financing, you should aim for 6%~6.5% going-in cap. The spread allows you to achieve healthy cash on cash return. Granted, there will be other financing terms that will juice up your return: interest only and longer amortization.

For Los Angeles, the play would be value add/opportunity driven. We often went in a deal with negative cashflow since the property is either distressed or required complete ground up construction. After we stabilized everything, we try to pull as much of our cost out and sit on the free cashflow. It will have to be a balance between appreciation, cash flow, and vesting term.

That being said, there's also an exception where you can buy in-place high cap in LA. I experienced that moment back in 2008-2011, where you can easily get a 7% cap on any of the condos in downtown los angeles. Property value has dipped around 35%~50% from 2007 peak.

Post: Los Angeles Market - SFR or MFR?

Victor OngPosted
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  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 90
  • Votes 50

valuation will be hit

Post: Los Angeles Market - SFR or MFR?

Victor OngPosted
  • Developer
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 90
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I think if you buy now, then you have to prepare for the worst. Both valuation and income will be heavily impacted due to:

1. Rent/eviction/foreclosure moratorium, which we don't have a set date when our landlord friendly politicians will lift the ban. Your tenant could possibly sign a new lease with you and don't have to pay until the ban has been lifted

2. Massive defaults are coming when forbearances expire, which will put a downward pressure on both SFR/MFR

Cheers to housing is a human right

Post: Is the market going to go KABOOM?

Victor OngPosted
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  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 90
  • Votes 50

I don’t think it’s just housing facing an adjustment. Other asset class such as equity and bond are also heading into an adjustment. Bond already defaulted if you look at the how the yield has compressed.

But i guess everything is relative. If you are buying a $150k house for yourself, then a $50k-$75k adjustment would hurt but given your income level you would still be fine. In the end, it is about your balance sheet and income on how well you can take a hit.

PS: we cashed out all of our properties and LOC to prepare for the nuclear winter.

Post: Regarding my first investment Property - Should I go for it?

Victor OngPosted
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  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 90
  • Votes 50

I would spend another $100k to expand an ADU. SFR/ADU in City Terrace/Boyle Heights could hit about $850k. We have 1700SF valued at $810k when we completed last Sept. The cashflow in the area could gross you $2500 for a 2B, and $2800 for a 3B.

Post: First-Time Investor in LA

Victor OngPosted
  • Developer
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 90
  • Votes 50

With 400k to invest in LA, wait for another quarter or two. Once forbearance expires on 1-4 units, then it’s a good time to start approaching the distressed landlords with overdue deferred payments, while their tenants stopped paying for the past 6 months.

Once the timing is right, look for South and East LA, where these areas will be hit the hardest. Do a BRRR deal, then exit the deal when business cycle start ticking upward again. Rinse and repeat.