What’s considered a good and great cap rate in metro Los Angeles?

What’s considered a good and great cap rate in metro Los Angeles?

Member since 2020 · 18 posts · 0 votes

I am a newbie REI and trying to buy my first multi-unit investment property.

What are some examples of a good and great cap rate in metro Los Angeles area?

Looking forward to learn from you serious investors here

Thanks

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Developer · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2020 · 90 posts · 50 votes
6y

Cap rate underwriting is an incomplete approach on assessing deals. The drawback of cap rate is that the metric only looks at EBITDA over All In at a point in time but not account for the whole investment horizon. 

Cap rate could also be deceiving as rental income fluctuates due to several factors: market conditions, regulations, management/owner knowledge/experience, and others...

If you are looking for a healthy cash on cash return, you would need 200-250bps of spread between the bank financing and going in cap. For example, if you are getting 4% interest rate from financing, you should aim for 6%~6.5% going-in cap. The spread allows you to achieve healthy cash on cash return. Granted, there will be other financing terms that will juice up your return: interest only and longer amortization.

For Los Angeles, the play would be value add/opportunity driven. We often went in a deal with negative cashflow since the property is either distressed or required complete ground up construction. After we stabilized everything, we try to pull as much of our cost out and sit on the free cashflow. It will have to be a balance between appreciation, cash flow, and vesting term.

That being said, there's also an exception where you can buy in-place high cap in LA. I experienced that moment back in 2008-2011, where you can easily get a 7% cap on any of the condos in downtown los angeles. Property value has dipped around 35%~50% from 2007 peak.

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  • Member since 2020 · 984 posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    I don't pay any attention to the Cap Rate because there are many factors that are more important
    e.g. you need to know if you can increase your ROI substantially with rent increases, appreciation and a little rehab.

    As you can see on many websites the Cap Rate is about 3.2% to 5.2% and when looking at the Cap Rate no sane person should be investing $350k to $400k per rental unit that is renting for $1500 to $1800 per month. The property taxes, alone, with those prices make the purchase insane. 

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    Rental Property Investor · Prairie Village, KS · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    @Ryan Passi

    I agree that you need to look at a variety of factors including - price per square foot, potential upside and what it takes to unlock it, current vacancy (you rant vacant units due to rent control), GRM, price per unit. I am mostly looking at upside personally.

    Usually a “good” cap rate is 4.75-5. Understand what cap rate is really expressing and you may not care about getting high cap rates any longer. Also understand how they are manipulated.

  • Developer · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2020 · 90 posts · 50 votes
    6y

    Cap rate underwriting is an incomplete approach on assessing deals. The drawback of cap rate is that the metric only looks at EBITDA over All In at a point in time but not account for the whole investment horizon. 

    Cap rate could also be deceiving as rental income fluctuates due to several factors: market conditions, regulations, management/owner knowledge/experience, and others...

    If you are looking for a healthy cash on cash return, you would need 200-250bps of spread between the bank financing and going in cap. For example, if you are getting 4% interest rate from financing, you should aim for 6%~6.5% going-in cap. The spread allows you to achieve healthy cash on cash return. Granted, there will be other financing terms that will juice up your return: interest only and longer amortization.

    For Los Angeles, the play would be value add/opportunity driven. We often went in a deal with negative cashflow since the property is either distressed or required complete ground up construction. After we stabilized everything, we try to pull as much of our cost out and sit on the free cashflow. It will have to be a balance between appreciation, cash flow, and vesting term.

    That being said, there's also an exception where you can buy in-place high cap in LA. I experienced that moment back in 2008-2011, where you can easily get a 7% cap on any of the condos in downtown los angeles. Property value has dipped around 35%~50% from 2007 peak.

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