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All Forum Posts by: Terry Landon

Terry Landon has started 34 posts and replied 53 times.

Post: Advice on cash flow/growth in SW Florida.

Terry LandonPosted
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Looking for advice on investing SW FL from a cash flow/growth perspective. 

Have been looking at Venice, Osprey, Nokomis, Sarasota, Cape Coral, Ft. Myers.

Post: Florida markets that make sense for cash flow and growth?

Terry LandonPosted
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Looking for coastal Florida markets that make sense from a cash flow and growth perspective?

Post: Florida markets that make sense for cash flow and growth?

Terry LandonPosted
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Looking for coastal Florida markets that make sense from a cash flow and growth perspective?

Post: Markets crashing that will be good investments next year?

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Post: Good property management company in Akron?

Terry LandonPosted
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Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Terry Landon:

I own around 25 doors in Akron, OH.  I'm having issues with my current property management company.  I was wondering if someone can suggest a company that does a good job here. 


 Hello I know at least 20 PM cos in the area, more than happy to help you connect 


 Yes, please.

Post: PM fee for new tenant lease?

Terry LandonPosted
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I'm just curious if it is industry standard for PM companies to charge 100% of first months rent for new tenant leases?

Post: Do PM agents show units before a tenant has moved out?

Terry LandonPosted
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Quote from @Steve Vaughan:

Sounds like 16% right there.  What happened to take it easy and let a PM do all the work for 10%?
Most of my MF turnovers are actually 0 to negative. I have a back-up list.  
Don't get a PM until you can afford the massive cf hit and reduction in tenant experience because they don't ask 2 simple questions right away. 


 What do you mean they are 0 to negative?

Post: Do PM agents show units before a tenant has moved out?

Terry LandonPosted
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Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:
Quote from @Terry Landon:
Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:
Quote from @Terry Landon:
Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:

@Terry Landon, I manage my own properties and it is EXTREMELY rare that I show a rental until its vacant and has been prepped to rent again.

It is difficult to show an occupied rental. Tenants may refuse entry. Tenants may be there and bad mouth the property. Tenants are packing, so the property doesn't present as well. Unless I have an excellent tenant who is open to it, I don't even consider it.

I'm not saying it can't be done, but it isn't simple and easy.

I average 4-6 weeks for a turnover. So, if you are taking 1 month (4 weeks), then its only 1-2 weeks difference in vacancy between the approaches.

If you are having turnover EVERY year, THAT is what I would focus on as the issue to address. I budget for 5% vacancy with the intent to do BETTER than that. To me that means I want tenants to stay AT LEAST 2 years on average. That is the minimum. I think my average might be closer to double that at this point. Sometimes charging LESS rent makes you MORE money simply by reducing turnover!


 Well one we have 24 hour notice to entry so they can't refuse.

2) I understand what you are saying, but you should be able to gauge which unit/tenant is ok to show while they are still there.

3) It's not simple and easy but we are paying them first months rent to do it.  They usually just try to cycle reject tenants from other properties. So if they have to do a little extra work to make the money and keep our cash flow going..well that's what we are paying them for. 

4) We are new, so it's idk what the average is yet..but I imagine it's like 18 months.  They are cheap units where people aren't planning on living forever. 


With 24 hours notice they don't have the legal right to refuse, BUT they still CAN REFUSE! Then to enforce the lease, you may very well need to go to court because no police officer will read and make a decision about the validity of your lease or your legal right to enter. So, you are correct you have the right to enter and they would be wrong to refuse, but still if they refuse you are stuck.

Like I said, it can be done, but even me as someone who does it themself and am also an agent waits for it to be vacant. You are literally talking about 1-2 weeks of extra vacancy and it is so much easier to do. Plus the units show better. Everything is clean and fresh and fixed up when the new tenants see it. If you want to attract good tenants it helps.

That's were the gauging comes into play.  If you have a good tenant that keeps the place clean, you show it.  If you have a problem tenant/who doesn't..you wait...non the less, it should be marketed online before they're out..not waiting til they're gone.

I'm not so sure about no police officer will enforce the right to enter, as it's common knowledge but I'd have to check on that.

Also depending on your market 4-6 weeks seems like a long turnover.  It doesn't seem too efficient in your approach, no offense. 


@Terry Landon, if police officers were allowed to read and interpret leases, why would anyone need to go to court for an eviction. A police officer has no training to even know if a lease is valid at all. He cannot make that decision. That is what civil courts are for. Its the tenants property they have physical control of it at that point.

4-6 weeks is normal. 1 week to clean, spackle, do small upgrades like replace flooring in a room, touch-up paint, etc to refresh the place, 1-2 weeks to find a new tenant, 2-3 weeks for them to move in. Tenants aren't moving in the next day, they are typically moving in a couple weeks or so later. So, that is normal.

It also is HIGHLY efficient if you are keeping a tenant 5 years because that means you are only losing 1 week of rent per year. That is why I said you may want to focus on your turnover rate.

I'm sorry but normal is relative, those cleaning/upgrades would take us a day.  We do full flips in 1 week.

If it is for a property that people would stay for 5 years, I see your point.  But for these lower end multi units.  It's young people who are just in their first rental, college students, people saving money til their next place.  They are going to have a high turnover regardless of how long we wait for the "perfect tenant".

you are right about the police.  

Post: Do PM agents show units before a tenant has moved out?

Terry LandonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 54
  • Votes 17
Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:
Quote from @Terry Landon:
Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:

@Terry Landon, I manage my own properties and it is EXTREMELY rare that I show a rental until its vacant and has been prepped to rent again.

It is difficult to show an occupied rental. Tenants may refuse entry. Tenants may be there and bad mouth the property. Tenants are packing, so the property doesn't present as well. Unless I have an excellent tenant who is open to it, I don't even consider it.

I'm not saying it can't be done, but it isn't simple and easy.

I average 4-6 weeks for a turnover. So, if you are taking 1 month (4 weeks), then its only 1-2 weeks difference in vacancy between the approaches.

If you are having turnover EVERY year, THAT is what I would focus on as the issue to address. I budget for 5% vacancy with the intent to do BETTER than that. To me that means I want tenants to stay AT LEAST 2 years on average. That is the minimum. I think my average might be closer to double that at this point. Sometimes charging LESS rent makes you MORE money simply by reducing turnover!


 Well one we have 24 hour notice to entry so they can't refuse.

2) I understand what you are saying, but you should be able to gauge which unit/tenant is ok to show while they are still there.

3) It's not simple and easy but we are paying them first months rent to do it.  They usually just try to cycle reject tenants from other properties. So if they have to do a little extra work to make the money and keep our cash flow going..well that's what we are paying them for. 

4) We are new, so it's idk what the average is yet..but I imagine it's like 18 months.  They are cheap units where people aren't planning on living forever. 


With 24 hours notice they don't have the legal right to refuse, BUT they still CAN REFUSE! Then to enforce the lease, you may very well need to go to court because no police officer will read and make a decision about the validity of your lease or your legal right to enter. So, you are correct you have the right to enter and they would be wrong to refuse, but still if they refuse you are stuck.

Like I said, it can be done, but even me as someone who does it themself and am also an agent waits for it to be vacant. You are literally talking about 1-2 weeks of extra vacancy and it is so much easier to do. Plus the units show better. Everything is clean and fresh and fixed up when the new tenants see it. If you want to attract good tenants it helps.

That's were the gauging comes into play.  If you have a good tenant that keeps the place clean, you show it.  If you have a problem tenant/who doesn't..you wait...non the less, it should be marketed online before they're out..not waiting til they're gone.

I'm not so sure about no police officer will enforce the right to enter, as it's common knowledge but I'd have to check on that.

Also depending on your market 4-6 weeks seems like a long turnover.  It doesn't seem too efficient in your approach, no offense. 


Post: Do PM agents show units before a tenant has moved out?

Terry LandonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 54
  • Votes 17
Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:

@Terry Landon, I manage my own properties and it is EXTREMELY rare that I show a rental until its vacant and has been prepped to rent again.

It is difficult to show an occupied rental. Tenants may refuse entry. Tenants may be there and bad mouth the property. Tenants are packing, so the property doesn't present as well. Unless I have an excellent tenant who is open to it, I don't even consider it.

I'm not saying it can't be done, but it isn't simple and easy.

I average 4-6 weeks for a turnover. So, if you are taking 1 month (4 weeks), then its only 1-2 weeks difference in vacancy between the approaches.

If you are having turnover EVERY year, THAT is what I would focus on as the issue to address. I budget for 5% vacancy with the intent to do BETTER than that. To me that means I want tenants to stay AT LEAST 2 years on average. That is the minimum. I think my average might be closer to double that at this point. Sometimes charging LESS rent makes you MORE money simply by reducing turnover!


 Well one we have 24 hour notice to entry so they can't refuse.

2) I understand what you are saying, but you should be able to gauge which unit/tenant is ok to show while they are still there.

3) It's not simple and easy but we are paying them first months rent to do it.  They usually just try to cycle reject tenants from other properties. So if they have to do a little extra work to make the money and keep our cash flow going..well that's what we are paying them for. 

4) We are new, so it's idk what the average is yet..but I imagine it's like 18 months.  They are cheap units where people aren't planning on living forever.