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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 6 posts and replied 27 times.

Post: Realtors getting mad for asking them to do their job

Account ClosedPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Morrisville, NC
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 36
@Mike M. Thanks for the reply. It's nice to know that I'm not going crazy! Definitely going to look into getting my license for my next deal.

Post: Realtors getting mad for asking them to do their job

Account ClosedPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Morrisville, NC
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 36

First, let me clarify that I am not out to bash any realtors or the profession. I do not claim to know everything about real estate/ act like some guru. I'm just a noob who is trying to buy his first investment property.

A little background: My wife and I have been learning about RE investing for a few years. We moved to a new area and decided it was time to stop gathering info and jump in. I came here to the BiggerPockets forum and asked for a referral to an investor-friendly agent in our market. 

Got a referral, followed up and had a very candid and blunt conversation with the prospective agent. I explained that we were looking for a multifamily property to house-hack and or a property with an in-law suite/ garage apartment to generate rental income. I told him that we wanted to work with an agent who owned investment properties in the area and that would be patient with us as my wife and I wanted to learn as much as we could through the buying process. He explained how hot the market was and that it would be difficult to find a multifamily in our price range. Despite this, he had the utmost confidence that he could "find something that works for us." 

He asked me to sign a buyers agreement to get the process started. The guy had a great attitude, he listened to what I had to say and according to the buyer agreement we weren't obligated to work with him if things didn't work out. Good deal. I signed it and the search began.

Our buying window wasn't for a few months, so our realtor suggested we get together to see a few properties just to get a feel for the process. It was great, he was very informative and willing to answer any questions we had. We agreed to meet a few months later when we were ready to buy. Given the scarcity of multi-family properties, I explained that I'd like to keep an eye out for multifamilies hitting the market. He set up a MLS automated search and we parted ways. A few properties popped up over those two months. Most of them well above our price range. It became clear that finding a multifamily that didn't need to be completely renovated was nearly out of the question as the market got hotter and hotter. We reconvened a few months later and he basically told us that we wouldn't be able to find what we were looking for and asked if we would consider buying a SFH. I told him we were only interested if we were able to pick up something relatively inexpensive (our rent payment was crazy high) giving preference to a home with the potential for rental income.

He sets up another search and at this point he falls off the face of the earth. Our only contact is the automated email alerts scraped from the MLS. When a house that fits our price/criteria hits the market we reach out to him for more info, no biggie. He'd send over the MLS report and some notes, and we respond whether we'd like to view the property or not (mostly based on BP Analysis Calculator). When we are out looking at the properties he basically begins trying to upsell us on new build condos at the top of our price range. We remind him that we are committed to finding a good investment property, preferably an older house that needs updating to live and flip. Our criteria were that simple. A small relatively inexpensive house, no frills. We submitted a few offers and were outbid.

Also during that time there were several multifamily properties that hit our custom search. My wife and I purposely wait to initiate with the suspicion that the realtor wasn't even checking in on the search that he set up. I'm not an a** hole. I don't expect an agent to scour the MLS everyday. But we are talking weeks. I literally had to email him and ask him if he even checks the searches that he set up for us. Eventually, it became clear that we were just a nuisance at this point. He said he was very busy and that he was "re-committed" on providing us the best service going forward. We gave him the benefit of the doubt... We took interest in a property 20 minutes away from our original search area and our realtor simply replied: "out of my area." That was the last straw for us. He referred us out to another agent.

We went and viewed the property, an appropriately priced single-family property with a nice garage apartment. Finally, we were in the right market! The new realtor told us that our old agent was very vague when referring us out. We spent a good half hour after the first showing discussing what our criteria were, how we were initially referred, and some of the gripes we had with our last agent. He reassured us that we were not asking too much and he confirmed that we were in the right part of town. He explained that even though they work for the same company he was a buyers agent, so he would have more time to accommodate our search. He suggested we work with him exclusively if we decided to narrow our search to that specific area. We agreed and this is when I learned that the commission was being split three ways. At this point, it all started to make sense for me. We were looking to buy an inexpensive house in a market where people are regularly buying properties 3x and 4x the price and commision was already being split via an initial referral from BP.

Now we are a couple houses in with our new agent. We put in an offer on a house (using the realtors' suggested offer) and were outbid. No biggie, its happened numerous times leading up to this point... The market right? So this evening my wife and I send over a couple houses that hit the MLS this week and ask our realtor to check them over. We already have a showing tomorrow so we ask him to bring the Comps for the house so we can run the numbers. Mind you, I very explicitly explained to him our criteria and even explained to him that our previous realtor simply ignored/ forgot the fact that we were buying a property as an investment and that we did an analysis for every property we considered. In his reply he basically refused to bring the comps and told us that it was his process to run comps only when the buyer was ready to make an offer, that they took 20 minutes to run, and that we were being inconsiderate of his time. Every single property that we have viewed had been located by us. All he does is meet us 5 minutes from his house (30-minute commute for us) to unlock the door and he's complaining about printing out a comp.

I am so turned off by this experience. Before we began searching for a property a real estate investor mentor of mine told us to find a greenhorn agent who would "work hard for us". Man, have I learned my lesson. I've heard about these noob traps. I understand that it was my mistake for not vetting the realtors more. We just want to buy a darn house man. If anyone out there is considering buying their first investment property please get a referral from an investor that you trust. What should be one the most exciting times of our life has become unbelievably stressful and emotionally draining. 

TL;DR: Noob looking to purchase first investment property. Referred to realtor through BP who claimed to be investor friendly. Wasn't investor friendly and attempted to upsell. Referred to another agent who is doing the same thing. Terrible experience that is sucking any joy that may be associated with acquiring first home/investment property.

Post: Found my first deal. What do i do now?

Account ClosedPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Morrisville, NC
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 36
@Joe Villeneuve Great advice. My intuition tells me I should try and raise the funds utilizing friends, family and close network. That may be a challenge being that it's my first properties but I'm confident in my numbers. Any advice as where I may be able to find some trustworthy partners? Maybe here on BP? Thanks

Post: Found my first deal. What do i do now?

Account ClosedPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Morrisville, NC
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 36
My wife and I were looking to get into a duplex and househack. We have been searching for months and haven't found any that make sense. Found a fully rented multi-family that cash flows nicely at asking price after running my analysis. I can qualify for financing but I don't have the $ for down payment or closing costs as this property is significantly more expensive than what we were considering. I'e been learning about hard money lenders, but I am a little confused as to how I can use in the given scenario. Do I ask for a hard money loan for the down payment and closing costs? I'm familiar with how/ when a hard money lender makes makes their money in a flip but since I plan on buying and holding as a rent property how and when would they make their money? Thanks in advance. I've been seeking answers for myself through reading and research, sometimes all the different scenarios can be overwhelming!

Post: Thinking of becoming a real estate appraiser

Account ClosedPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Morrisville, NC
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 36

I'm most likely going to start the basic required courses in early September. There are a couple different options available from there depending how deep you want to get into it. I've been digging into some appraiser forums and it seems that most of the veteran appraisers say commercial or Certified General Appraiser is the way to go if you're looking to make a career of it. Here are some videos that breakdown the process more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrCKbg5QvMw

If you are looking primarily just to learn as much as you can on evaluating properties to get started in Real Estate there are cheaper and less time intensive options. I purchased this course on Udemy that shows you how to do it and paid $10 bucks for 18 hrs worth of material. Udemy is always running promo sales. https://www.udemy.com/real-estate-investment-analysis/

Post: Thinking of becoming a real estate appraiser

Account ClosedPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Morrisville, NC
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 36
Stumbled upon this career opportunity recently as well. Graduated with a Social Science bachelor's a few years ago and have had the hardest time making worthwhile use of it. Working towards my first RE deal and this seems like a great way to increase my earning power while learning how to valuate properties and potentially build relationships with the movers and shakers. Looks like it may require some time and money upfront but seems like a wicked combo depending on your circumstances.

Post: Competent greenhorn willing to work for experience Raleigh/Durham

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  • New to Real Estate
  • Morrisville, NC
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 36

Greetings. My name is Taylor King. I am looking to work for, and learn from, real estate Investors in the Triangle. I plan to purchase my first investment property by the end of the year and would like to get as much hands-on experience as possible. My goal is to find lasting relationships while building a positive reputation in the area as I launch my RE investing career.

If you are a knowledgeable investor in the area and need someone to research, help with maintenance projects, prospect etc. I'd love to grab lunch and discuss how we can benefit each other. 

Thanks in advance!

Post: I just closed on a 4-plex Purchase with an FHA loan

Account ClosedPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Morrisville, NC
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 36
@Jinhee Park congrats!

Post: New Member Introduction

Account ClosedPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Morrisville, NC
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 36

Greetings! BP has been a great place to learn about Real Estate investing.  I'm also looking to buy my first home/ investment property. As a beginner investor it's exciting but can be overwhelming to say the least. It's been helpful for me to remember that there is no such thing as a dumb question, and as you come across obstacles in search of your first deal there is usually a strategy to overcome them. 

Glad you are here. Let me know if you have any questions!

Post: New member introduction

Account ClosedPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Morrisville, NC
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 36

Greetings and welcome to Bigger Pockets. Rich Dad, Poor Dad is an amazing book! It literally turned my world upside down and helped me to take action in my financial life. If you enjoy Rich Dad check out "The Millionaire Next Door" by Thomas J. Stanley. My wife and I are currently searching for our first investment property after about a year and a half of soaking up all the knowledge we can. It's been a challenging and exciting journey, but it's definitely made simpler and more enjoyable with a community such as BP. Feel free to hit me up anytime if you have any questions or would just like to chat! Cheers.