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All Forum Posts by: Sam Liu

Sam Liu has started 8 posts and replied 45 times.

Post: Occupied REO in SF

Sam LiuPosted
  • Investor
  • Santa Clara, CA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Alan F.:
Quote from @Sam Liu:

Has anyone here dealt with occupied REOs in San Francisco? I'm curious about how challenging it is to take ownership of these properties given the city's tenant-friendly policies. Any insights or experiences would be greatly appreciated!


 Personally I wouldn't buy any property occupied, I'm interested in the asset itself and will decide how I operate said asset.

What is the main reason that you wouldn't buy any occupied property? 

Post: Selling & Buying with 1031

Sam LiuPosted
  • Investor
  • Santa Clara, CA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Rick Albert:

I have had two clients now do a REVERSE 1031 Exchange. This is when you buy first, then sell. The 180 days still applies, so after you buy, you have 6 months to get your property sold. Because it is a more complicated process, the exchange fees are higher (around $7K versus $1200) but in the big scheme of things it could be to your benefit.

When you speak with the exchange accommodators, ask them for referrals on lenders that can facilitate this, as not all lenders can make this happen.

Thanks. Considering a Reverse 1031 for my next transaction, especially with the high prices in CA—it seems like a worthwhile strategy. Is it still allowed to rent the replacement property out before closing the sell process?  @Rick Albert

Post: Occupied REO in SF

Sam LiuPosted
  • Investor
  • Santa Clara, CA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 12

Has anyone here dealt with occupied REOs in San Francisco? I'm curious about how challenging it is to take ownership of these properties given the city's tenant-friendly policies. Any insights or experiences would be greatly appreciated!

Post: Selling & Buying with 1031

Sam LiuPosted
  • Investor
  • Santa Clara, CA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Dave Foster:

@Sam Liu This is a common concern for people who are looking to do 1031's. One thing we advise our clients to start proactively looking for solid potential replacement early, and that would have the least amount of complications when trying to close. There's nothing preventing you from looking at replacements properties prior to closing on the property you're selling, You can even be under contract before you even close on your relinquished property.

Thanks for sharing. Will that require reverse 1031? I heard that a friend had to give up a replacement because the relinquished property was not closed. 

Post: Selling & Buying with 1031

Sam LiuPosted
  • Investor
  • Santa Clara, CA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Bill B.:

Your property has dropped in value over the last two years? Dropped enough to erase all your gains? Sell now! Without a 1031. Put the cash in your pocket and escape that market. You should be up 5-10% over the last 2 years, not down. Especially not down a real amount. 

You do a 1031 to defer taxes sure. But you also do it to escape a bad market choice, or a market that has turned bad. You do it to escape a property that has aged poorly and has become a money pit. You do it to increase your leverage. You do it to change property types. There are plenty of reasons, and a 1031 is really a lot easier than you think. It’s never taken me 45 day to find a decent property to buy, and you can start looking 15+ days before your sale closes if you are in a tight market. Closing in another 135 days should never be an issue, especially if you picked your property and did your inspection before the 45 days expired. 

The “last” exchange I did last year. (Also my first.). I closed on my replacement property before the 45 day window closed, much less the 180 days.


TLDR:  if you’ve truly picked one of the worst markets in America and lost all your tax deferred gains. Simply, sell. You lost $1,000 give or take for doing a 1031, but you don’t owe extra taxes. If you still have enough gains to justify it, sell and do a 1031, it’s a non-issue. Good luck. 

True. Part of the problem is that I picked the wrong market for exchange. Many other markets have dropped over the last two years due to increased interest rates though. 

Post: Selling & Buying with 1031

Sam LiuPosted
  • Investor
  • Santa Clara, CA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Jim Fong:

Sam,

I found that doing the 1031 exchanges during the winter has worked well for me.  The market is slower and less competitive so for buying is great during the holidays so listing to sell in the fall works.  I am in Vegas so the market is somewhat stable and has good demand so selling isn't too difficult here.  I think the key is to do these during slow or at least stable times and not during major market shifting factors like the interest rates increasing rapidly.  

Thanks for sharing your approach. Selling in Fall and buying in Winter make sense! The time I picked was exactly during the major market shift. 

Post: Selling & Buying with 1031

Sam LiuPosted
  • Investor
  • Santa Clara, CA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Sean O'Keefe:

The Qualified Intermediary that you select to support the Exchange is important and price is just one of the factors to consider.

Happy to make an unbiased recommendation if you’re looking for more options.

Yes, please. 

Post: Selling & Buying with 1031

Sam LiuPosted
  • Investor
  • Santa Clara, CA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Sean O'Keefe:

@Sam Liu you might consider Reverse 1031 Exchange to avoid some of the challenges you mentioned you faced with timing and traditional 1031 exchange

Thanks for sharing this option. I just did a quick research. It looks like reverse 1031 is better in terms of timeframe. The downside is the fee is higher but probably worthwhile if I can purchase a good deal first. 

Post: Selling & Buying with 1031

Sam LiuPosted
  • Investor
  • Santa Clara, CA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 12

I completed a 1031 exchange two years ago, but found the strict time limits made it difficult to find a good deal. It often feels like either selling high and buying high, or selling low and buying low. I sold one property just before interest rates went up, which worked out well for the sale price. However, I had to pay a premium for the exchange property because the market was so hot at the time. Now, property values have dropped—almost to the point where the capital gain tax I avoided through the exchange is offset by the decreased value.

Has anyone found an effective 1031 exchange strategy that allows you to take advantage of the tax benefits while still buying the replacement property at a good price?"

Post: Selling & Buying with 1031

Sam LiuPosted
  • Investor
  • Santa Clara, CA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 12

I completed a 1031 exchange two years ago, but found the strict time limits made it difficult to find a good deal. It often feels like either selling high and buying high, or selling low and buying low. I sold one property just before interest rates went up, which worked out well for the sale price. However, I had to pay a premium for the exchange property because the market was so hot at the time. Now, property values have dropped—almost to the point where the capital gain tax I avoided through the exchange is offset by the decreased value.

Has anyone found an effective 1031 exchange strategy that allows you to take advantage of the tax benefits while still buying the replacement property at a good price?"