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All Forum Posts by: Rob Ferdinand

Rob Ferdinand has started 5 posts and replied 38 times.

Post: I haven't slept in weeks...wholesaling?

Rob FerdinandPosted
  • Contractor
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 16
Originally posted by @Lee Ripma:

@Rob Ferdinand

My advice is to do one of these things well and learn how to speak with sellers. It’s great to to use zillion ways to generate leads but you just need one that works, then two that work, etc. Why wholesale? Why not become a legit agent and get listings? There are not a ton of people who want to sell their house/apartment for pennies on the dollar. I do direct marketing and I buy deals for myself as flips or rentals, source deals for clients, and get listings. I so far have had one house that I can actually wholesale. I have it assigned but closing is taking a while due to federal tax liens in excess of the property value and I’m not even sure it will close. The amount of people who want to sell for a “quick cash close” vs a “top dollar sale where buyer has a lender and 45 day close” is 1 to 100 in my sampling so far. Just something to think about. I’m not convinced that wholesaling is actually that great.

Thanks for the reply. I understand low conversion rates for wholesaling. If I can get 1 deal from 100 leads than I'll know how many leads I need to find, say 8 deals a month. It's a numbers game like any other sales business. X number of leads will result in X number of sales, averaging $X  per sale etc.

I have no desire to work as an agent.
My ultimate goal is to invest is rental properties for cashflow and long term gains, while rehab/flipping. I see huge value in running a humble wholesaling shop as the foundation of the operation. If I can develop the business and build a very small team to get it on auto pilot, I'll have an internal lead machine bringing me deals to flip or rent.

 Some may same I'm over ambitious for someone who hasn't done my first deal, and I get it. I just take that as maybe I'm on the right track.

Post: I haven't slept in weeks...wholesaling?

Rob FerdinandPosted
  • Contractor
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 16
Originally posted by @Doug Ford:

Rob, 

I did the same thing. I started this journey three years ago, joined Bigger Pockets and stayed up late every night. It turned out to be a combination of learning a lot, frustration and analysis paralysis. I don't regret all the time I spent on real estate because I used everything I learned to make, what I think, was a good first investment property purchase decision. It's a process like anything else so keep plugging away at it, learn and follow the path of a successful investor. (Read David Greene's BRRRR book) The resources provided here at BP are amazing but not always intuitive so explore every aspect of the website and learn how to use it. Keep plugging potential property deals into the ALL the calculators and really learn how to use and understand ALL the results and terminology. Make contacts here on BP and ask questions. Learn the basics like 1% rule and test potential deals using those guidelines. To become good at this you have to work long and hard like you already are but... don't get over anxious and do a deal just to be doing a deal. There risks even when the numbers work in your favor so set and stick to the tests and calculations you set and a good investment opportunity will show itself.

Last and most important, enjoy what you're doing! Blessings, Doug

 Thanks for the reply, Doug. Appreciate the motivational words. I've spent the past 3 years building a start up as a small equity partner, but basically an employee. I know this will take tons of work but I'd rather do it for myself than someone else! Thanks again.

Post: I haven't slept in weeks...wholesaling?

Rob FerdinandPosted
  • Contractor
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 16
Originally posted by @Alex Shin:

@Rob Ferdinand Sounds like you're setting your systems in place. How are you planning on contacting these sellers? Also, where do you plan to take notes/store data about prospective leads you'll be getting?

The majority of potential sellers will be from different lists I generate. I plan to have an automated lead campaign service contact the leads several ways. I will also work the phone.

As for tracking leads, I will likely use spreadsheet until my first deal at which point I'll likely get a CRM. One of the programs I plan to buy claims their software doubles as CRM, but we'll see.

Post: I haven't slept in weeks...wholesaling?

Rob FerdinandPosted
  • Contractor
  • Boston, MA
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 16

Hey, everyone. 

I've been deep down the rabbit hole lately and have been up every night geeking out on all things real estate. 

My original goal was to purchase a multi-family and later flip to fund more buy and holds, and BRRRR etc. I've come to the conclusion that I'm going to need a little more preparation before I'm ready, so I'm going to wholesale in the meantime.

Here's the rough plan, all feedback is appreciated!

-I've made a website for online presence

-Plan on building a buyers list (Searching cash buyers in Propstream/Reipro/Listsource type programs, and Bigger pockets). OTHER IDEAS?

-Will use automated RVM/text/email service. (Reireply or Reirail). Any experience with these?

-Working on some basic scripting to get me started, for both sellers and buyers, and will fine-tune as I go

-I plan to generate leads several ways, and it will take a lot of time and data to hone-in what works for me. Driving for dollars with deal machine, plan to research probates (clueless as of right now how these work), Run filtered call lists from programs like propstream/reipro, targeting many different situations such as pre-foreclosures, back tax etc. I still have a ton to research and trials here as I go! 

-After my first wholesale deal I'll likely invest in targeted direct mailers, a little SEO/pay per click and website management, and the same developer I'm familiar with can build and manage a FB page, write webiste blogs etc.

-Eventually, use Carrot to host a separate website for my buyers where I can list properties under contract, just to streamline my deals for me and my buyers

Questions:

-Some of the Softwares that are available run comps and forecast ARV's, as well as skiptrace all in one. What works best for you?

-I'm searching for a wholesaling friendly attorney for guidance, and make sure I'm using proper contracts. Referrals appreciated! Currently, I have several P&S contracts from the web but not sure about my state-specific laws in Massachusetts.

-It sounds like If I contract a deal and for some reason, I fail to find a buyer, I can back out without consequence, aside from any earnest money?

-What pitfalls should I be aware of?

Thanks for reading guys. Looking forward to some feedback!

    Post: Seeking a experience wholesaler in boston

    Rob FerdinandPosted
    • Contractor
    • Boston, MA
    • Posts 38
    • Votes 16
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    @Philip Ganz that’s exactly what I’ve thought. The numbers make no sense. Apparently this seller needs money quickly but doesn’t understand. He’s a hard cookie but he’s eager. I think somebody thats experienced can talk him down to my realistic offer. Any suggestions or people you can refer me to talk to?

    Assuming you're able to negotiate the price down and contract the house, what will you do next? Do you already have investors lined up that are interested in these types of deals? 

    Side question for everyone, What do these wholesale contracts look like? 

    Post: Boston refuses to cash flow

    Rob FerdinandPosted
    • Contractor
    • Boston, MA
    • Posts 38
    • Votes 16
    Originally posted by @Jonathan R McLaughlin:

    @Rob Ferdinand cash flow hasn’t been the means for making money in Boston for a while now. Changing demographics have made condo conversions the main mechanism of appreciation for those assets. An older 2-3 family at 600K nicely renovated with 100-200k worth of work and you sell each 2 or 3 bed unit for 4 or 500...that’s a lot of what drove the market through the roof. Who cares about rental cash flow with those numbers? Harder to to that when the multis have that baked in to their prices.

    Makes total sense that's driving the market. A friend of mine, who also happens to be an agent, is listing her $600k 2 family in Winthrop as 2 condos for about $550k each. I'm definitely aware of these opportunities. 

    I'm not positioned with enough capital yet so it closes the doors on a lot of deals, especially when talking big rehabs. I need to find other ways to hustle my way into the game!

    Thanks for the reply!

    Post: Boston refuses to cash flow

    Rob FerdinandPosted
    • Contractor
    • Boston, MA
    • Posts 38
    • Votes 16
    Originally posted by @Bhavik Doshi:

    @Rob Ferdinand unfortunately, NJ is mostly the same way unless you can get a stellar deal in south jersey. The property taxes are just getting too high that the cash flow is hardly worth it. Closer to north jersey and other cities seem to be more appreciation plays as supposed to cash flow plays. Best of luck!

     Thanks!

    Post: Boston refuses to cash flow

    Rob FerdinandPosted
    • Contractor
    • Boston, MA
    • Posts 38
    • Votes 16
    Originally posted by @Zac Ballin:

    As others have pointed out, you do not need to estimate 50% for maintenance.  As a rule of thumb, I use 30% including property management, which you can get for under 10%.  It's worked well for me so far.  The reality is if you're collecting 2x or more in rent than people are in LCOL areas, the repair work will be more expensive but it's not 2x.  A faucet is still a faucet.  If you're renting a triple decker for 8k/month, you're not paying 4k/month (48k/yr) in maintenance.  That would mean you were replacing major systems or a roof on a yearly basis.  

    You can find the deal you want.  You just have to get creative and keep hunting.  
     

    Hey Zac. Thanks for the encouraging words, I'm sure there are plenty of great deals out there for everyone.

    I'm currently modeling about 25% in total. 8% vacancies, 5% repairs, 5% apex, 7% management. 

    I like using the 50% rule as a pulse, but I think I wasn't calculating incorrectly. When deducting the mortgage costs from the 50% left after "expenses", I was using the FULL mortgage which includes taxes, insurance, and PMI. When I changed this and only use the principal and interest as "mortgage costs", it seems to make sense now with the rest of the numbers.


    Sound about right?

    Post: Boston refuses to cash flow

    Rob FerdinandPosted
    • Contractor
    • Boston, MA
    • Posts 38
    • Votes 16
    Originally posted by @Rob Gifford:

    @Rob Ferdinand I live in Boston and invest out of state for this reason. In the past people have invested in Boston for the appreciation and stability. Yes, it’s a market with high demand due to a great economy and lots of student so your vacancy rate will be much lower. Also your maintenance will be lower as a percent of your rents since rents are very high. However Covid has hit Boston really hard and much of our economy is based on people needing to congregate in the city for work or class. I’d imagine the rental market here is going to take a bit more of a beating so I wouldn’t bet on appreciation. Check out Worcester, Southern NH or Providence for a better cash flo

    Hey, Rob. Thanks for the reply. It's funny, I've been hearing that advice a lot lately. People keep suggesting far West or far South, OR out of state altogether. I'll start checking the markets in NH/RI. My personal dilemma is I need to stay local but I really want to take advantage of an FHA loan (and house hack)...Decisions, decisions.

    Post: Boston refuses to cash flow

    Rob FerdinandPosted
    • Contractor
    • Boston, MA
    • Posts 38
    • Votes 16

    @Avery Heilbron $2,800 for one of the units... how many beds? I've been focusing on 2-3 bd units. I feel 4bd+ would be more difficult to fill than 2-3, but maybe I'm wrong?

    My logic is 1 bds may have high turnover rate as singles may leave to move in with a spouse, or couples need to upsize when growing a family.

    Anyone have thoughts on what size units are the most stable, in terms if turnover and vacancies?