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All Forum Posts by: Robert Shorey

Robert Shorey has started 8 posts and replied 40 times.

Post: How did you get started? Advice to newbies!

Robert ShoreyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Gwynn Oak, MD
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 19

@Shannon Glanton Keep it simple yet very lucrative. Start with Lease options: Sandwich Lease options and Wholesaling lease options. Here are 3 no bs or fluff resources. 1) Google The Simple Man's Guide to Real Estate, Bill Vaughan 2) Joe Bodek 3) Justin Chamness. As regards to software REI Pro and the Automated REI.

Post: Probates in Maryland

Robert ShoreyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Gwynn Oak, MD
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 19

How do I get a probate list in Maryland?

Post: Wholesaling and the phony ethics police

Robert ShoreyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Gwynn Oak, MD
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 19

Fellow Wholesalers pay no attention to Realtors, Brokers, and other investors who pose as the ethics police regarding wholesaling.

Wholesalers deal in 6%-10% of the market and this leaves plenty of meat on the bone for Realtors. As one of my strategies, I wholesale, and most of the deals I get under contract are such that most Realtors won't touch them or the seller doesn't want to deal with an agent.

Banks and mortgage companies sell (Wholesale) mortgages all the time and the phony ethics police are hidden in the tall grass and then crawl out from under their rock to decry wholesaling.

One of the specious arguments asserted by the phony ethics police is that because the wholesalers can't purchase the house themselves they shouldn't enter into a contract or that if they can't find a cash buyer that won't be able to purchase the house and therefore should not enter into an agreement with the seller.

This is frankly a week argument. Many investors fail to secure financing and deals subsequently fall apart all the time. It's a negative aspect of business, not moral turpitude or a lack of ethics.

Wholesalers are partners with their cash buyers and if the deal is profitable and the wholesaler know their numbers there is rarely a problem.

Some Realtors are myopic creatures and assume that all homeowners Must and only want to work with Realtors. This arrogant and erroneous belief is shared by many Realtors. News flash many people don't want to work with agents.

Wholesalers be transparent with your sellers and let them know that you intend to make a profit and that you have many partners aka "cash buyers."

And, if necessary, get transactional funding or private money to close deals.

And if you think the seller would fare better with a Realtor then refer them to a good Realtor. Good meaning effective and ethical.

Remember there are good Wholesalers and bad Wholesalers just like there are good Realtors and bad Realtors

Wholesaling is not inherently bad but there are bad Wholesalers and no license will ever ensure ethical behavior.

If your state requires that you get a Real Estate license then cheerfully comply.

Remember, most real estate investing, in essence, is wholesaling in as much as all investors are looking for a discount on the purchase price.

Since wholesalers dealing in at most 10% of the market, it's evident that the phony ethics police are motivated by avarice and jealously. They use the ethics argument and castigation as a prop and pretext as a justification and cover for their avarice. They rationalize it ~Rational -lies.

Often they use of the myth of the poor stupid seller that has been living in the Himalayas as a hermit for years and suddenly inherited a house, and because the hermit never heard of Zillow or Real Estate Agents, falls victim to the evil wholesaler.

Conclusion: Be a person of integrity, but don't be fooled by or discouraged by the phony ethics police because they are either frauds or ignorant or both.

Post: Wholesaling and the phony ethics police

Robert ShoreyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Gwynn Oak, MD
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 19

@Yoann Dorat Amen,Brother

Post: Wholesaling and the phony ethics police

Robert ShoreyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Gwynn Oak, MD
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 19

@Jesse Leblanc Thank you, Jesse. I notice a lot of bad-mouthing on these forums from the phony ethics police so I thought that it was time that "The Empire Strikes Back."

Post: Wholesaling and the phony ethics police

Robert ShoreyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Gwynn Oak, MD
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 19

Fellow wholesalers pay no attention to Realtors, Brokers, and other investors who pose as the ethics police against wholesalers.

Wholesalers deal in 6%-10% of the market and this leaves plenty of meat on the bone for Realtors. I wholesale as one of my strategies and most of the houses I get under contract are such as that Realtors won't touch them.

Banks and mortgage companies sell ( wholesale) mortgages all the time and the phony ethics police are silently hidden in the tall grass and then crawl out from under their rocks when it comes to wholesaling.

One of the specious arguments that the ethics police assert is that if the wholesaler can't find a cash buyer they can't purchase the house. This is frankly a weak argument because many investors fail to secure funding for their deals which subsequently fall apart. It's a negative aspect of business, not moral turpitude or a ethical issue.

Some Realtors are myopic and ASSUME that everyone selling their home wants to work with a Realtor. This is an erroneous belief of many jealous Realtors.

Wholesalers are transparent with your sellers and let them know that you intend to make a profit and if needed get transactional funding and perform a double closing.

And if you think your seller would fare better with a Realtor then help them find a Realtor.

Remember, most real estate investing, in essence, is wholesaling, in as much as investors are all seeking a discount on the purchase price.

Since wholesalers deal in at most 10% of the market, it's evident that the phony ethics police are motivated by greed and therefore have moral flaws and"ethics "lapse.

They use the ethics argument and castigation as a prop and a pretext to cover for their avarice and greed. In psychology, it's called "Projection.

Don't be fooled by the phony ethics police because they are either ignorant or frauds or both

Post: proof of funds for wholesale deal

Robert ShoreyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Gwynn Oak, MD
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 19

@Yoann DoratGood point

Post: Just Starting Out In Real Estate

Robert ShoreyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Gwynn Oak, MD
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 19

@Tyler Helget Hey, Tyler, focus on single-family homes at first, and get a few deals done first, and then start your corporation because it's not essential. If you have any questions you can contact me.

Post: proof of funds for wholesale deal

Robert ShoreyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Gwynn Oak, MD
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 19

@Lucas Duncan You will rarely if ever run into the mythical" uninformed seller" who has been living as a hermit in the Himalayas and found out he has inherited a house and hasn't heard of Zillow. Again, just be forthright and candid with your sellers. Pay no attention to the ethics police. Many realtors and brokers will despise you as they are jealous. The NAS is trying to bring the hammer down on wholesalers by lobbying local and state governments to ban or regulate wholesaling. Therefore, be sure to become knowledgeable about your state and local laws regarding wholesaling. It's a good idea to build a relationship with a good title company and private and hard money lenders.

Post: proof of funds for wholesale deal

Robert ShoreyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Gwynn Oak, MD
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 19

@Wayne Brooks Most and any seller can look on Zillow to ascertain the Zestimate. I have been doing wholesaling for 21 years, and I have never ran into the mythical" uninformed seller" who didn't know about Zillow, Trulia, Redfin etc..