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All Forum Posts by: Tony Pellettieri

Tony Pellettieri has started 19 posts and replied 142 times.

Post: New Investor Looking to Buy First Deal 2024

Tony Pellettieri
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  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77

Hey Elliot, my name is Tony, welcome to BP and the world of Real Estate Investing!

There is a great REIA meet up in Matthews, NC I attend weekly and would highly recommend. It's located at Jonathan's on Tuesday mornings 8am - 10630 Independence Pointe Pkwy, Matthews, NC 28105.

If you are interested using the BRRRR strategy and haven't gone through the book already, I'd highly recommend listening to on Audible or reading the hardcopy of the book. The book FLIP is very informative as well. I believe learning by educating yourself is the best base for achieving success.

BRRRR on Amazon

BRRRR on Audible (1st and 2nd download w/ audible are free I believe)

FLIP on Audible

Best of luck!

Post: NEWBIE - BRR for my first investment?

Tony Pellettieri
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  • Investor
  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77

Hey Kaitlyn, Welcome to the world of Real Estate Investing. We remodel homes just south of Charlotte in Chester, SC and practice the BRRRR strategy. Closing on investment properties can become addicting. The more you do it, the more you want to do it again and again.

I attribute the majority of my success and motivation to the knowledge I have acquired. While getting on BP is a great place to network and receive feedback as well as learn, I think educating yourself is a great base before getting started.

If you are interested using the BRRRR strategy and haven't gone through the book already, I'd highly recommend listening to on Audible or reading the hardcopy of the book.

BRRRR on Amazon

BRRRR on Audible (1st and 2nd download w/ audible are free I believe)

Post: Just got my first house hack!

Tony Pellettieri
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  • Investor
  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77
Quote from @Danielle Campos:

I'm running to BiggerPockets because no one else understands what I'm doing or how excited I am. I closed on my first home/first house hack last week! It is a 4 bedroom, 2.5 bathrooms single family home. My plan is to convert the dining room into the 5th bedroom and the 1/2 bath into a full bath and ultimately make this a 5 bed, 3 bath home.

The home is exactly what I wanted with light renovation needed. I've never done anything DIY so this will be my first attempt. I am planning to put in LVP, paint the kitchen cabinets, and add some tiles to the bathroom. Unfortunately, it seems that I may need to replace all the carpets upstairs since it has black lines on the edges due to soil filtration (previous owners didn't clean their air filters often).

I'm feeling very optimistic right now, but have spent a whole week just trying to decide on a good value LVP so I can replace the 1st floor... I still need to pick a carpet, get it installed, and find a contractor who can do the bathroom conversion (I definitely cannot do that).

Would love to hear other's experience diving into doing DIY for the first times. Any tips?


Hey Danielle, congrats on getting started and investing in your first Investment! We remodel homes just south of Charlotte in SC and practice the BRRRR strategy. Closing on investment properties can become addicting. The more you do it, the more you want to do it again and again.

When doing conversions, updating baths, creating new bedrooms/bathrooms, etc. make sure you do your research on local codes and permits required. If/when you plan on selling the property, if you don't pull permits, you may run into trouble with inspections when attempting to list your home if the amounts of bathrooms, bedrooms, etc have changed.

We utilize handymen for many parts of our rehabs but on properties that will be rented/sold in the following 24 months, in our area, a GC is required to pull all permits. Meaning, we as the owners, cannot pull the permits ourselves if the property is not our primary residence and we will be selling/renting the home in the following 24 months.

House hacking is a great way to get started. Don't get too stuck in analysis paralysis when needing to choose materials. Think about your long term goals. If your plan is to rent, know renters can be hard on any finishes. LVP/Laminate are great choices for rentals due to being inexpensive & durable. Apply this concept to many areas of your rental areas/homes.

Good Luck and keep that momentum and optimism going!

Post: Charlotte & Surrounding - Including York County, Lancaster County, Chester County

Tony Pellettieri
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  • Investor
  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77

My name is Tony. I am Father to 2 Boys and a full time Real Estate Investor. I live in Fort Mill, SC which is just south of Charlotte, NC. Other than a group that is hosted from 6-8pm on the last Wednesday of the month, I haven't found any other REIA meet up groups in this geographical area of SC. Night meetings can be difficult to attend due to parental duties such as cooking dinner and getting the kids ready for bed. Perhaps you can relate...

There is a great REIA meet up in Matthews, NC I attend weekly and would highly recommend to anyone in the Charlotte/Surrounding area able to attend at Jonathan's on Tuesday mornings 8am - 10630 Independence Pointe Pkwy, Matthews, NC 28105.

I am interested in hosting a weekly/bi-weekly morning meeting around 8/9am Wednesdays for coffee/breakfast & discussion/networking for folks in my area, and further into SC including York County, Lancaster County, and Chester County.

I invite you to attend if you are either currently involved, just getting started, or interested in Real Estate Investing. The first meeting will take place on Wednesday Feb 14 @ 8:30am in Rock Hill at Rock Hill Diner.

Post: New to investing

Tony Pellettieri
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  • Investor
  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77
Quote from @Emeldine Achili:

Hello i new to investing though i owned 2 townhomes, 1 is fully rented on long term , i rent my basement in the 2nd town house, i will like to keep investing using the BRRRR strategy , i need a push on starting please . I have been trying to build my credit, i spoke to a couple of lenders, contractors, been reading some books from this platform but yet i need a push as to making the right decisions, i will much appreciate if someone will reach out to help, thank you.


Hey Emeldine, I attribute the majority of my success and motivation to the knowledge I have acquired. While getting on BP is a great place to network and receive feedback as well as learn, I think educating yourself is a great base before getting started. If you are interested using the BRRRR strategy and haven't gone through the book already, Id highly recommend listening to on Audible or reading the hardcopy of the book.

BRRRR on Amazon

BRRRR on Audible (1st and 2nd download w/ audible are free I believe)

Post: Running numbers Brrrr

Tony Pellettieri
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  • Investor
  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77
Quote from @Antonio Resendiz:

is there anyone that can help me run numbers on a property ?


 Hey Antonio,

There is a BRRRR calculator on BP. A link to it can be found on the homepage as well as under tools in the drop down in the top left corner of your screen. If you are unsure about the values that go into a BRRRR calculation, I would recommend learning about the process before you think about practicing the process. Acquiring an education and knowledge is often beneficial before putting something into practice. If you haven't already, I would highly recommend the book BRRRR, you can read a hard copy of it or my preferred method, audio book via audible.

BRRRR on Audible

BRRRR Hard Copy on Amazon

Post: Whether or not to utilize wholesalers & Other methods of deal sourcing when scaling

Tony Pellettieri
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  • Investor
  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77
Quote from @Bryant Brislin:

Any buyer who is experienced can look at deal and know what the ARV actually is and what the repairs actually are, so the repairs and ARV provided by the wholesaler are immaterial. If you actually like the deal, just let the wholesaler know what number works for you and that you're a buyer if they can get it at that number. To say "that's too high" and not give the number that does work for you, isn't productive. Yes, there are are some bad wholesalers out there, usually the young guys who will do anything to get a deal done, but in general wholesalers are just trying to make a living like everyone else, and we know that no matter what price we present a deal at, a buyer will automatically say it's too high and will grind no matter what, even if it's just a little bit. We've also had buyers who grind on price and we work hard to get it to them there, and they turn around and flip it themselves to someone in their network. It's a delicate dance, but I can tell you it's not easy sourcing deals, and by the time we bring it to buyers we've usually put in a lot of work to get it to that point. If you truly like the house just let them know the number that works for you!


 No doubt about the amount of work, and often money, that goes into sourcing deals. All sage advice clearly from an experienced wholesaler about how to get a deal to the closing table. 

Post: Our 3rd Investment Property - Which Exit strategy?

Tony Pellettieri
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  • Investor
  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77
Quote from @KC Pake:
Quote from @Tony Pellettieri:

We have our 3rd Property under contract and plan to close in a week. The house is in a high appreciation area. Trying to figure out what the best exit strategy is. We are open to suggestions for different strategies than we're currently considering. We've been told seller financing may be a good option and we're open, just don't know how it would all play out, please advise.

We plan on paying cash for Acquisition & Repairs. This would be our first DSCR loan, and while I believe I have an idea of how it will all play out, looking forward to seeing the process.

Initial thoughts when putting property under contract were [repair, Rent, DSCR c/o, hold]. We will be taking possession with renters in place that are currently paying $750 a month. The plan is to wait to give them notice until day of closing, as requested by the seller. Rehab timeline less than 1 month after they vacate.

Now considering letting them stay, raising rent to $900/mo, completing minimal repairs as the house is currently in acceptable shape to them & good condition overall, DSCR c/o on a lower ARV. Will need to increase reserves going this route to account for future repairs. This will require less cash invested, shorter time frame to complete, and more cash we take from the deal.

Exit Strategy 1 - Have current Renters vacate, complete SOW, get new renters @ market rent, cash out on max ARV, HOLD.

ARV: 126,000

Acquisition: $60,251+ Closing $925

SOW Budget: $15,750

Rent after Rehab: $1,000

DSCR c/o $100,600 Loan @ 7.5% 30yr LTV80%: $840 PITI + Fees +/- $4000 (2pts+undw/orig/leg)

Cash Flow: $160 before Reserves

Cash Out - Cash In - Fees: $19,674 (100,600-60,251-925-15,750-4000)

Exit Strategy 2 - Have current Renters stay, complete light SOW, raise rent, cash out on lower ARV, HOLD.

ARV: 110,000

Acquisition: $60,251+ Closing $925

SOW Budget: $2,500

Increased Rent: $900

DSCR c/o $88,000 Loan @ 7.5% 30yr LTV80%: $752 PITI + Fees +/- $3800 (pts+undw/orig/leg)

Cash Flow: $148 before Reserves

Cash Out - Cash In - Fees: $20,524 (88,000-60,251-925-2,500-3800)

Hi Tony - 

Congratulations on your third investment property!  You have a lot going on here.  Let's break things down, hopefully, I am understanding everything correctly...

Exit Strategy 1: Full Rehab and Rent Increase


Pros:

Higher ARV (After Repair Value): This strategy could potentially increase the property's value to $126,000, allowing for a higher cash-out refinance amount.
Higher Rent: After the completion of the Scope of Work (SOW), the rent could be raised to $1,000, generating more monthly revenue.
Long-Term Value: Completing a full rehab could increase the property's long-term value and appeal, making it more competitive in the market.

Cons:
Higher Initial Investment: The SOW budget is significantly higher at $15,750, requiring more cash upfront.
Vacancy Risk: Asking the current renters to vacate for the rehab introduces the risk of vacancy and lost rental income during the renovation period.
Longer Timeline: The rehab process and finding new tenants could extend the timeline before the property starts generating its anticipated cash flow.

Exit Strategy 2: Minimal Repairs and Keeping Current Renters

Pros:
Lower Initial Investment: With a SOW budget of just $2,500, this strategy requires less cash upfront.
Quicker Turnaround: Completing minimal repairs and keeping the current tenants can significantly shorten the timeline to start generating cash flow.
Reduced Vacancy Risk: By allowing the current tenants to stay, the property continues to generate income, avoiding the risks associated with vacancy.

Cons:
Lower ARV: This strategy results in a lower ARV of $110,000, which affects the cash-out refinance amount.
Lower Rent Increase: The rent increase to $900 is less than what could be achieved with a full rehab.
Future Repair Costs: Minimal repairs might not address all the property's needs, potentially leading to higher maintenance costs down the line.

Financial Analysis:


Cash Flow Considerations: Both strategies provide positive cash flow before reserves, with Strategy 1 generating $160 and Strategy 2 generating $148 monthly. The difference is relatively minor, suggesting that the immediate cash flow impact of either strategy is not drastically different.
Cash Out - Cash In - Fees: Strategy 2 offers a slightly higher net cash after refinancing and expenses ($20,524) compared to Strategy 1 ($19,674). This suggests that Strategy 2 is slightly more efficient in terms of initial capital recovery.

Recommendations:


Goal Alignment: Choose the strategy that best aligns with your long-term investment goals. If maximizing property value and securing higher rents is the priority, Strategy 1 might be preferable. If minimizing upfront costs and avoiding vacancy is more important, Strategy 2 could be the better choice.
Market Considerations: Research the rental market in the area. If there's a strong demand for high-quality rentals, investing in a full rehab could position the property more competitively.
Financial Flexibility: Consider your financial flexibility and risk tolerance. Strategy 1 requires more upfront investment and carries a higher risk of vacancy but offers higher potential returns. Strategy 2 is less risky in the short term but might require additional investment later.

Ultimately, the choice between these strategies should consider both the financial implications and the investor's personal objectives, including risk tolerance, investment horizon, and the importance of generating immediate versus long-term value.

Best of luck with your decisions - these are good options to have  ðŸ˜Š

Have a great weekend,
KC

Thanks KC! All great points.

I’m leaning more towards #2 as my upfront capital invested for repairs is much less, I’m still cash flowing positive about the same monthly, and the property will already be rented satisfying that requirement for the loan. If it is in fact 3 months before we can do a cash out refi, the entire rent - T/I will be cash flow adding a few thousand extra to the bottom line.

Although the ARV is less, we're still pulling out more net cash, while investing less upfront. When we decide to sell, we can always complete the full rehab at that time. Currently the area is a little rough but many remodeling projects are taking place which is part of what is helping the appreciation of property in the area.

Post: Our 3rd Investment Property - Which Exit strategy?

Tony Pellettieri
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  • Investor
  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77
Quote from @Mike Klarman:

You'll only be able to cash out at 75% and you may have to wait 3 - 6 months to cash out from a cash purchase, keep that in mind.

I like getting new renters in there and receiving an empty property.  Doing the bigger budget and then renting it out at 1k.


Hey Mike, Thanks for the insight. We've been talking to some Private Lenders/Brokers recently that say they can do a DSCR cash out refi in 3 months or less. Pulling all of our cash out of the deal, and then some, whether we're using our own capital or a mix involving private capital is the goal, in regard to the time value/expense of capital. Perhaps there is some mistruth in what they've told me. Trust but verify as they say. Looking forward to gaining exposure to see all of the nuances involved and gain that experience.

Post: Whether or not to utilize wholesalers & Other methods of deal sourcing when scaling

Tony Pellettieri
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  • Investor
  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77

When looking for properties to invest in, should an investor rely on wholesalers to present deals to them?

We typically do not rely on many of our opportunities coming from wholesalers, but that's not to say we're not occasionally interested in something they have to offer.

In addition to scouring our farm area while we drive around to and from our properties, and looking at aged(100 day+) listings and new low priced distressed condition listings on the MLS, which is where many of our deals come from, we reach out to local agents in the area we're looking to invest and let them know we pay cash. We let them know what kind of properties we're looking for and if they come across something or someone brings them something we may be interested in, to let us know FIRST.

In return for doing so, we agree to any of the following.

1. If the seller would agree to sell us the property prior to it being listed, at an agreed upon price using a closing/title agency to complete the transaction, we will pay the realtor a finders fee.

2. If the seller would like to use an/that agent, we will let the agent also represent us so he/she may earn a dual commission for representing both us and the seller. If our plans are to sell the property in a short period of time, we may also agree to let that agent list the property for us when we go to sell it so they may make a round trip on their commissions.

When a business is trying to grow, we've found that finding more potential deals is often times a company's most important mission and can also be the single most difficult challenge.

Utilizing wholesalers is an easy way to find opportunities, simply because they find the opportunities for you. Because it's so easy, many investors utilize this as their primary source of deal sourcing. With that being said, depending on the wholesaler, the deals they bring you can vary...

They can bring you good/great deals. They make money, you make money, or lots of money.

They can bring you bad deals discuised as good deals. They make money, you dont make money, if you take the deal.

They can bring you what were good deals, that are no longer good deals. They focus on making too much money.

They can bring you bad deals. This often happens because they are not deal makers. Many wholesalers have not practiced the product they're selling enough to become effective at deciphering between what is a good deal and what is not.

Nothing against wholesalers, and honestly we will likely start our own off market deal sourcing campaigns, but to us the chances of a wholesaler bringing us a deal that is a better deal than we can find/source after they've charged their fee to make it worth their time for finding the deal, It's not a deal we're interested in.

On the flip side, every once in a while, a wholesaler underestimates a deal's potental, sometimes more often than not, due to their limited understanding of what makes a deal a great deal.

We're always open to looking at deals to see if maybe they missed something. If so, they still get paid, we get a deal, and we both make money.