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All Forum Posts by: Tony Pellettieri

Tony Pellettieri has started 19 posts and replied 142 times.

Post: 1yr BRRRR/Value Add = $1,440,600 in portfolio equity but no money in the bank, HELP

Tony Pellettieri
Posted
  • Investor
  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77
Quote from @Jeremy H.:

This is above my pay grade - but I think there's some good lessons that come out of it. It honestly may be time to slow down. Look at what you have. Make sure you have financial reserves for repairs/maintenance/CapEx

I would personally sell the SFRs - slow market right now, keep that in mind with your selling price expectations. Also these things cost money to sell - agent fees (5-6%), whatever your buyer is going to ask for at closing or try to hit you at during inspections (likely several thousand) plus taxes. It all adds up quick. You have to ensure you are buying at a good discount to make those expenses up if you may have to sell in the next few years. 

Only thing I'd plan to keep would be the larger multi-family - sell the small stuff, all of it and get yourself in a better capital position. 

I think you are too optimistic as well - the more I look at this the worse it gets. And you're mentioning losing 25-30% appreciation annually BUT at the same time you have 2 houses for sale w/ "no bites yet". Those two statements don't make sense together. If you're getting that much appreciation, you're in a hot area and anything decent is going to sell fast. I'm thinking that's not the case. 

The apartment has repairs that presumably can't be made since there's no money to fix them. 

My advice: Sell ALL of the small stuff ASAP


 Sage Advice. We're also considering a portfolio sale. All of these houses were purchased in distressed condition and remodeled extensively. If we could do it once, we can do it again. Might just be time to sell it all to get in a better position and take what we learned along the way to do things differently next time.

Post: 1yr BRRRR/Value Add = $1,440,600 in portfolio equity but no money in the bank, HELP

Tony Pellettieri
Posted
  • Investor
  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77
Quote from @Allan C.:
Quote from @Tony Pellettieri:
Quote from @Allan C.:

How are you assessing the 25%+ compounded appreciation? Seems unrealistic. 

however, if you are correct, why not sell some assets to get your debt within control. While it seems enticing to swing for the fences, it's better to get some small wins in your pocket and save yourself for another day. 

I look at the ARV when we purchased the property and track/monitor that each quarter. For example. We purchased a house in Dec 2023 for 80K with ARV of 145K, Jan 2025 ARV is 215K

We have two properties for sale on the MLS. Listing 5 more today. Those 5 have tenants in them currently though.


Just because it appreciated a certain value over the last few years is not indication it will appreciate the same in the future. Most of the appreciation you’ve realized is actually inflationary impacts, not necessarily appreciation. Your prices may continue to appreciate/inflate in upcoming years, but just be diligent with your assumptions instead of over-indexing on historic performance. 

Good luck with your sales - it’ll feel great when you can capture some of your equity to balance your leverage. 


 No Doubt, you're right. I believe the saying is the past is not always indicative of the future, right? I don't think it will continue to appreciate at that rate forever or honestly past the next few years but right now where prices are in relation to the median housing price of the surrounding market, the need for affordable housing/rents, etc, many people are continuing to flock to the our investment area which is continuing to push the prices of the properties in Chester up closer to the median housing price of the greater area.

In regards to inflation, I don't think the inherent value has risen only the demand for the product itself. Is a house worth more or does it just take more less valuable dollars to buy the same house. Artificial Inflation of commodities is often caused by the devaluation of the currency used for the exchange.

Post: 1yr BRRRR/Value Add = $1,440,600 in portfolio equity but no money in the bank, HELP

Tony Pellettieri
Posted
  • Investor
  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77
Quote from @Allan C.:

How are you assessing the 25%+ compounded appreciation? Seems unrealistic. 

however, if you are correct, why not sell some assets to get your debt within control. While it seems enticing to swing for the fences, it's better to get some small wins in your pocket and save yourself for another day. 

I look at the ARV when we purchased the property and track/monitor that each quarter. For example. We purchased a house in Dec 2023 for 80K with ARV of 145K, Jan 2025 ARV is 215K

We have two properties for sale on the MLS. Listing 5 more today. Those 5 have tenants in them currently though.

Post: 1yr BRRRR/Value Add = $1,440,600 in portfolio equity but no money in the bank, HELP

Tony Pellettieri
Posted
  • Investor
  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77
Quote from @Andrew Zamboroski:
Quote from @Tony Pellettieri:

It's been a long 9 months but the time seems right to climb out from the trenches and return to the BP community.

During my first few months as a Real Estate Investor, I was on the forums almost daily. Getting advice on BP helped me overcome many of the hurdles as a new investor while I started BRRRing. I was closing as many deals as I could figure out how to get financed. I also managed to creatively acquire two apartment buildings with $0 down about 4 months ago, one of which currently has a water main Leak under the slab and two of the residents have been without water for over a week, but that's another story for another time... 

In December 2023 I started with...

$25,000 in the Bank
823 credit score
3-5% revolving utilization
very little debt
ZERO experience in anything real estate or construction related
Knowledge acquired from listening to 123 audible books over the previous years

14 months later...

$847 in the bank
699 Credit Score
133% revolving utilization/over the limit maxed out personal credit cards
Quite a bit of other high interest debt/loans borrowed during the first year in business
$3,580,000
 Appraised Portfolio Valuation
$2,139,400
 DSCR Mortgage Debt in my LLCs
$1,440,600 Equity
(Appraised Value-Mortgage debt)
8 Remodeled SFRs
1 Converted Remodeled Duplex
2 SFR Remodels currently in process
2 Apartment Buildings - 13/14 units occupied
A little more experience to say the least
234 Audible books in my library

As I'm sure any experienced investor can gather, having the sizable amount of personal debt as I do, supplier house account payments due, PMLs that need to be paid, etc, not having liquidity/any money in the bank is an ISSUE. I currently have 2 vacant houses I purchased just over a year ago listed for sale on the MLS but no bites as of yet. Not the best time of year and we're in an emerging market area about an hour outside of Charlotte, NC.

30Y DSCR c/o Refi's have already been done on every eligible property after rehab / 3 months seasoning.

As more of our properties come up on 1+ yr of ownership, despite losing likely future appreciation of 25-30%+ annually and paying a 5% PPP, I are open to selling some houses off to start paying off much of the high interest debt accumulated outside of mortgages. 

Are there any asset backed loan products that lend in second position or any other forms of financing able to be collateralized by equity you can think of?

There may be a second lien DSCR option that could work as mentioned by others. For the properties stuck on market, are those already financed?

 Hey Andrew, yes just about everything is financed with DSCRs, with the exception of one of our properties.

Post: Need loan to access equity in our Portfolio - Advice?

Tony Pellettieri
Posted
  • Investor
  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77

We are looking to access some of our Equity to access liquid cash. The majority of our properties already have DSCR loans on them, are tenant occupied, have been owned for less than a year/have sizable capital gains, are in a high appreciation market, may take a while to sell at market price on the MLS.

Are there any loan products, even ones with balloon payments, that would let us access some of our equity in our properties through refinance or a 2nd position loan. Of course if we refinance our DSCR loans we will have a 5% PPP which is not a fun pill to swallow but for some properties with a low LTVs, we're open to it.

We need a loan product that is asset based. Credit is 699. 10x Experience Entry/Exits on HUDs. Currently only getting 70% LTV through ROC Capital on our DSCR loans since my credit dropped below a 720.

I've heard that second position DSCRs may be an option?

Would a Bridge Loan with a balloon payment after 12/24 months be possible?

Below are some highlights of our portfolio

1. SFR   Value $155,000   DSCR Payoff $116,250+PPP
2. SFR   Value $140,000   DSCR Payoff $97,500+PPP
3. SFR   Value $255,000   DSCR Payoff $178,500+PPP
4. SFR   Value $170,000   Bridge Payoff $108,200
5. 
SFR   Value $215,000   DSCR Payoff $150,000+PPP
6. SFR   Value $270,000   DSCR Payoff $178,000+PPP
7. SFR   Value $170,000   DSCR Payoff $94,500+PPP
8. SFR   Value $180,000   DSCR Payoff $126,000+PPP

9/10/11. Multi Family Apartments 2 Separate Buildings 14 Units + Piece of Adjacent Land.
Valuation $1,050,000+   Seller Financed Payoff
$721,500+$50,000 PPP

Post: 1yr BRRRR/Value Add = $1,440,600 in portfolio equity but no money in the bank, HELP

Tony Pellettieri
Posted
  • Investor
  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77

It's been a long 9 months but the time seems right to climb out from the trenches and return to the BP community.

During my first few months as a Real Estate Investor, I was on the forums almost daily. Getting advice on BP helped me overcome many of the hurdles as a new investor while I started BRRRing. I was closing as many deals as I could figure out how to get financed. I also managed to creatively acquire two apartment buildings with $0 down about 4 months ago, one of which currently has a water main Leak under the slab and two of the residents have been without water for over a week, but that's another story for another time... 

In December 2023 I started with...

$25,000 in the Bank
823 credit score
3-5% revolving utilization
very little debt
ZERO experience in anything real estate or construction related
Knowledge acquired from listening to 123 audible books over the previous years

14 months later...

$847 in the bank
699 Credit Score
133% revolving utilization/over the limit maxed out personal credit cards
Quite a bit of other high interest debt/loans borrowed during the first year in business
$3,580,000
 Appraised Portfolio Valuation
$2,139,400
 DSCR Mortgage Debt in my LLCs
$1,440,600 Equity
(Appraised Value-Mortgage debt)
8 Remodeled SFRs
1 Converted Remodeled Duplex
2 SFR Remodels currently in process
2 Apartment Buildings - 13/14 units occupied
A little more experience to say the least
234 Audible books in my library

As I'm sure any experienced investor can gather, having the sizable amount of personal debt as I do, supplier house account payments due, PMLs that need to be paid, etc, not having liquidity/any money in the bank is an ISSUE. I currently have 2 vacant houses I purchased just over a year ago listed for sale on the MLS but no bites as of yet. Not the best time of year and we're in an emerging market area about an hour outside of Charlotte, NC.

30Y DSCR c/o Refi's have already been done on every eligible property after rehab / 3 months seasoning.

As more of our properties come up on 1+ yr of ownership, despite losing likely future appreciation of 25-30%+ annually and paying a 5% PPP, I are open to selling some houses off to start paying off much of the high interest debt accumulated outside of mortgages. 

Are there any asset backed loan products that lend in second position or any other forms of financing able to be collateralized by equity you can think of?

Post: Providing insurance coverage for Business Employees

Tony Pellettieri
Posted
  • Investor
  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Tony Pellettieri:

Our Business has been growing rapidly as we've employed our capital in the acquisition department. We've decided to scale back on acquisitions and have started scouting out talent to add to our team to be better prepared for what's to come.

While we believe we could greatly benefit from bringing on an Integrator, project manager, and construction manager as soon as possible, we are looking at cost/benefit for our first hire. We are leaning towards bringing on a hard working administrative assistant to lighten the load and free up more time to focus on more pertinent tasks.

Wondering if anyone can give us suggestions on the starting the process of being able to provide/offer health insurance to our employees. We're talking with someone who may be coming into our company's leadership that will require health coverage. This is something we're interested in providing for our company's employees including ourselves. Any insight would be much appreciated.

 Tony,

I went through this 2 years ago with my company and getting started. My recommendation is to hire a business benefits group broker. They will act as a broker to source you health insurance (and other types like general liability etc) or other stuff you may want.I think we pay them around $1,000 per year, which if you tried to do that think of the time and effort. 

I used a link of the company we used and happy to do an intro. What is great is they also setup the portal for employees every year to update / renew etc. It is 90% hands off except when you have to renew programs each year you have to decide etc.





 Would like to find out more..

Post: Time to rent office space?

Tony Pellettieri
Posted
  • Investor
  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77

Our Business has been growing rapidly as we've employed our capital in the acquisition department. Currently we're at 7 doors and nearing the completion of our first $50/sq ft rehab. We have two new construction projects getting ready to break ground, 2 cash out delayed financing loans in process, and almost at the end of our first debt cycle, getting ready to emerge into the next phase of our growth stage. We've decided to scale back on acquisitions and have started scouting out talent to add to our team to be better prepared for what's to come.

While interviewing a potential new company Integrator yesterday, he asked if we had an office space. I told him we did not but the question has had me wondering if the time has come, or is near. We are getting ready to start hiring team members as our business grows and I was wondering if anyone could offer some insight on when the time is to get office space and what possible benefits and downsides deciding to do so has.

Post: Providing insurance coverage for Business Employees

Tony Pellettieri
Posted
  • Investor
  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77

Our Business has been growing rapidly as we've employed our capital in the acquisition department. We've decided to scale back on acquisitions and have started scouting out talent to add to our team to be better prepared for what's to come.

While we believe we could greatly benefit from bringing on an Integrator, project manager, and construction manager as soon as possible, we are looking at cost/benefit for our first hire. We are leaning towards bringing on a hard working administrative assistant to lighten the load and free up more time to focus on more pertinent tasks.

Wondering if anyone can give us suggestions on the starting the process of being able to provide/offer health insurance to our employees. We're talking with someone who may be coming into our company's leadership that will require health coverage. This is something we're interested in providing for our company's employees including ourselves. Any insight would be much appreciated.

Post: Preparing to hire out 1st team member / Interested in offering Health Insurance

Tony Pellettieri
Posted
  • Investor
  • NC / SC
  • Posts 148
  • Votes 77

Our Business has been growing rapidly as we've employed our capital in the acquisition department. Currently we're at 7 doors and nearing the completion of our first $50/sq ft rehab. We have two new construction projects getting ready to break ground, 2 cash out delayed financing loans in process, and almost at the end of our first debt cycle, getting ready to emerge into the next phase of our growth stage. We've decided to scale back on acquisitions and have started scouting out talent to add to our team to be better prepared for what's to come.

While we believe we could greatly benefit from bringing on an Integrator, project manager, and construction manager as soon as possible, we are looking at cost/benefit for our first hire. We are leaning towards bringing on a hard working administrative assistant to lighten the load and free up more time to focus on more pertinent tasks.

This will be our first hire and are wondering what the best way to go about doing so is. Should we 1099? W2? Also wondering if any one can give us suggestions on providing/offering health insurance. We're talking with someone who may be coming into our company's leadership that will require health coverage. This is something we're interested in providing for our company's employees including ourselves. Any insight would be much appreciated.