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All Forum Posts by: Page Huyette

Page Huyette has started 29 posts and replied 219 times.

Post: Success--Pulled the Brakes on Another Deal

Page HuyettePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bozeman, MT
  • Posts 220
  • Votes 52

Earlier this year I posted about another deal that didn't fly and why I viewed it as a success. This time the story is a little different but a success just the same.

Last time around we went under contract for a home we intended to flip. I got my spouse on board and found a private investor to fund at least part of the flip. Also found a mortgage broker willing to say "let's try" out of the gate, rather than no no no. Securing those local bank relationships was a major victory.

Based on that previous experience I tried something different this time around. I found an REO property that needed a lot of work but had the charm, lot size and potential profit make it worth looking at. Running the numbers I found it could cash flow as a rental as a back-up plan. Before making an offer, I contacted the two bankers I'd had reasonable success communicating with in the past about the deal:

$50k purchase price

$30k in repairs

ARV $110-125k

Not the deal of the century, but the low entry price point was irresistible to me. It was a doable flip. But this time, I didn't make an offer until I'd secured financing, which I did (at least a pre-qual). On the day this property came on the market, I received a phone call from one of the bankers with a thumbs up on a construction loan for $85k as a second home property for six months, at which time it would roll over/refinance into an investment loan. This loan required 20% down from our pocket.

Why didn't I jump?

I wouldv'e been required to hold the property for one year because it was an REO. I had to qualify for the loan without using rental income, since one can't purchase an REO within the first 14 days as an investor. The mortgage, taxes and insurance were pretty reasonable, but still money going out instead of into my pocket.

Taking into account these holding costs before I could sell or rent made the deal not so hot.

We couldn't do any of the repairs based on the parameters of the loan, making it a deal I'd have to manage pretty closely. The time requirement to do this made this smaller deal look even less attractive.

I wouldv'e liked to take on this property, then do a lease purchase option. It was very difficult for me not to throw some sort of hat into the ring with that pre-qual, but I held off. I get pretty focused when I want something. But I held off.

I never even looked at the property in person.

Next time something like this comes up, I'll try to work out a deal where I don't have to put 20% of my own money down, and can gain the equity in other ways. Bank financing will be the back-up, not the primary financing option.

Getting that call from the banker was an incredible feeling! Even though I didn't move forward, it gave me the confidence to know that something will come together soon.

Post: Seller-Financing when Seller Agent is involved?

Page HuyettePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bozeman, MT
  • Posts 220
  • Votes 52

@Simon W. curious if you ever made an offer on this one.

Post: Hard Money - Converting to Conventional Loan

Page HuyettePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bozeman, MT
  • Posts 220
  • Votes 52
Originally posted by Mike H.:

The key is to line up your end loan first. ...Then work backwards from there and you should be fine.

I would agree. Build a relationship with a motivated banker or local broker, and learn their specific criteria. Then, as Mike says, go backwards from there. This can be tough advice to swallow if you already have the property in mind, but it seems almost necessary in the end.

Post: Hard Money - Converting to Conventional Loan

Page HuyettePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bozeman, MT
  • Posts 220
  • Votes 52

There are options where a bank will consider 6 months of rental income on a property and refi you out of a private money loan, but chances are the HML won't move on the deal due to risk, unless you already have a relationship.

Post: How did you first start using your Self-directed IRA?

Page HuyettePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bozeman, MT
  • Posts 220
  • Votes 52

@Douglas Larson I neglected to mention that when I was frustrated to find I couldn't control the money locked up in our retirement accounts, I decided to get a HELOC for investing purposes.

Post: How did you first start using your Self-directed IRA?

Page HuyettePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bozeman, MT
  • Posts 220
  • Votes 52

@Douglas Larson thanks for asking. I've not moved any money to date, having discovered that both my retirement money with TIAA-Cref and my spouse's with Mass Mutual can't be rolled or touched until our employment is terminated. I moved some of the allocatations into real estate funds as a (poor) consolation but eventually switched that money back out due to lower performances than other options.

I will say that I've done quite a bit of research on the SDIRA option and have attended several webinars, and have found Kaaren Hall with uDirect IRA Services to be a great option. If we move our money into a SDIRA it will be with them.

I am both self-employed and work for an employer, so am also eligible for a solo 401k but am holding off on that route for now.

Post: Loan Question

Page HuyettePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bozeman, MT
  • Posts 220
  • Votes 52

I second what Karen Margrave said. Many local lenders have in-house programs. Wells Fargo offers a rehab loan similar to 203k but without the cumbersome paperwork.

Other local lenders often offer construction loans that then refi into a conventional once the work is complete.

Post: Deal Dilemma

Page HuyettePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bozeman, MT
  • Posts 220
  • Votes 52

Welcome Brittany! How about finding someone to lease option this property with a nice non-refundable down payment that you can use for a duplex that you can live in? There are a lot of great posts on lease options here on BP:

Here's just one: http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/83-rent-to-own-a-k-a-lease-purchase-lease-options/topics/79732-how-to-set-the-numbers-on-a-lease-option

Post: Popular wood flooring color?

Page HuyettePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bozeman, MT
  • Posts 220
  • Votes 52

It depends on how much light the rooms get--warm climates tend to favor lighter woods and colder or northern climates like darker. It is truly a personal choice, but I would stay away from the open grains and go with something neutral. If you want to be bold, go there with paint and other accents, not the flooring.

Post: How You Do One Thing Is How You Do Everything!

Page HuyettePosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Bozeman, MT
  • Posts 220
  • Votes 52

By focusing on the relationship with the goal of making it long-term, you also figure out who is serious and who is just curious or living vicariously through your efforts.