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All Forum Posts by: Peter S.

Peter S. has started 9 posts and replied 61 times.

Post: AirBnB in Milwaukee?

Peter S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 8

Does anyone have any updates on the laws governing Airbnb/VRBO in the milwaukee area? Does the city require it to be owner occupied in order to comply?

Post: Amazon HQ2 Finalist cities announced

Peter S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 8

@Matt M. What impact do you think Amazon coming to Denver would have? I've been hoping they don't come but would love to hear other perspectives.

Post: ISO Denver Area RE Broker

Peter S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 8

My sister works as a broker. PM me and I'll send you her contact information.

Post: Calculating Return on a house for rent

Peter S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Steve Jellen:

Conventional mortgages for multifamily properties are permanent "conforming" loans offered by traditional banks and lending institutions. These mortgages are long-term with terms between 15-30 years. Conventional mortgages can finance multifamily properties between 2-4 units but can't finance 5+ units. So financing a 2-4 unit building would be just like financing a SFH

 Hi Steve,

I should have clarified what I meant by financing. I understand the rules are the same for 2-4 unit property as SFH, it's just the 20% min down payment that doesn't work for me right now.

Post: Calculating Return on a house for rent

Peter S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Joe P.:

Peter -- I think you might be making a mistake in calculating your numbers for cash flow (which is ultimately the important number here). You are executing a rental on your current property, and wish to take liquid cash and purchase another property. All well and good.

You are then saying for property A, my PITI is 1930, my expenses (vacancy/maintenance) is 350, so total expenses is 2280. You are renting for 2700. Your cash flow is 420 per month. However, what about capital expenditures on property 1? Does the furnace, roof, flooring, appliances, etc, in need of replacement soon? What happens if you're hit with a 10k bill for something like that in the near future? Would you have the reserves on hand to take care of that? Some landlords build that into their expenses and divert money per month for that, which eats into cash flow, but covers you when the bill actually comes. What about other expenses, e.g. utilities the landlord has to pay?

Assuming you've covered those in your expenses, if you truly made $420 per month cash flow and the property is a SFH, I'd say its a good deal. What did you purchase the home for? You can find your cap rate by dividing your yearly income by the purchase price. 10% cap rate seems to be standard for most folks, but ultimately not the only qualifying number.

Based on what I am seeing you have no intention on renting out property B, it is a home for you to live in, correct? So you're trading up so to speak, on a more expensive property, utilizing liquid cash for a new home?

Ultimately, could you do better by staying in property A, buying a multifamily property using liquid cash, and making far better cash flow per month? For instance, if you found a multifamily property with the same PITI, add in your expenses and capex, to the tune of say, 3000 per month...and then rent it out for 4000 per month? Now your cash flow is $1000 per month, 12,000 per year(versus $420 on property A), you've kept the same monthly payment that you have now on your current property (cash that stays in your pocket), and you can far more easily calculate COCR, Cash Flow, Cap Rate, ROI, etc, on a property that's working for you far better than renting out your existing property.

By the way, I don't talk about this like I don't know where I am coming from -- I rented out my first home (property A) for meager cash flow while my wife and I purchased our "forever home" which has a higher monthly cost via PITI. Long story short, I rented out property A for 3 years and just sold it for a bit of profit...to do exactly what I told you to do. I'm investing in a cheaper multi-family property that should net around $500 per month cash flow, my cash on cash return is 10.5%, and my cap rate is 21%.

While I think people invest for many reasons, one of mine is the right numbers and cash flow. Property A did not have the right numbers and cash flow, long term, at least for me.

Thanks Joe, I think this makes a lot more sense to me now. In this particular case the home is only 8 yrs old so while I don't expect any major repairs to come due anytime soon, I have other reserves that I could use in that event. 

Using suggestion for cap rate I get just under 10% since I'd have an income of (2700*12=32400) and a purchase price in 2010 around 330K.

I like the idea of multi-family as well, the biggest challenge with that is the financing. Definitely something I'd like to look into in the future.

Post: Calculating Return on a house for rent

Peter S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 8

Thanks @Cara Lonsdale

Property A is my current home. My total monthly payment is $1,930. I believe I can rent this for $2700/mo

Property B is a home I'm interested in purchasing and will live in. It will be completed in March of this year. I estimate that my total monthly payment will be $2350. This assumes I put ~10% downpayment on this property or ~46-50K. This is liquid cash I currently have. 

I don't include any expenses on the new property since it will be brand new. On property A I am looking at ~350/mo to set aside for maintenance and potential vacancy. 

Perhaps ROI isn't the best metric to use in this case? Basically i'm trying to determine if purchasing property B and renting out property A will be a good opportunity to acquire another property in an appreciating market while still be able to cash flow.

Or does this look like to slim of a margin to make it work?

Post: Calculating Return on a house for rent

Peter S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 8

@Van Blackman

Estimated Rent - $2700 on property B

Current payment - $1930 this includes taxes and insurance and is the total monthly payment

Maintenance - House was built in 2010 so I'm using only 5% for this number - $135/mo

Vacancy - Estimating 8% on this so $216/mo

Post: Calculating Return on a house for rent

Peter S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 8

@Cara Lonsdale I'm not sure I follow you.

For the sake of clarity, my current payment is $1930 and I estimate I could get $2700 in rental income per month. If I purchase a new property and put 50K in as a down-payment it leaves me with an approximate new mortgage payment of $2350. So in this scenario I'm investing 50K and getting a return of about 4200/yr. (1930+2350)-2700 = 1580.  1930-1580 = 350. 350*12 = 4200.

Does this mean my ROI is just 4200/50K? so like 8.4%.

Post: Calculating Return on a house for rent

Peter S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 8

Hello all, I have a numbers based question that I can't quite figure out. I currently own my home and have a mortgage on the property. I am looking at potentially buying a new home and renting out my current residence. Since I purchased it in 2010, I have a low interest rate and overall payment. Is ROI the appropriate metric to use in this situation? If so what is the best way to figure it out? Or is there another formula I should be using to help me decide what to do?

Post: Using AirBnB as a Tenant.

Peter S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 8

Anyone utilizing this strategy in Denver? I have an open room that I'm interested in using with AirBnB but haven't hosted before.