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All Forum Posts by: Peter G.

Peter G. has started 21 posts and replied 70 times.

Post: Paint or not paint the doors?

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Byron Hoaglan it's a rental

Post: Paint or not paint the doors?

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The door paint colors don't all go together do you think that that's something that should get done or is it ok to leave the doors? Some are the original wood color the others are white.

Post: I just put in an offer for an Amazing single family house!

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Originally posted by @Devin Haertling:

Peter G.

I'm am not trying to rain on your parade or discourage your deal but I think you need to go about getting the deal done a different way.

Right now at all cash at 120k you are tying up a significant amount that is not liquid.

What happens if there is a large cap ex cost that pops up?

I guess what I am really asking is what are your investment goals?

Yes I appreciate that but look at it another way if I have 5 properties for example all about 600$+ mortgage 100$ insurance+ about $180 a month across vacancy, repairs and CAP. That's 880$ a month* 5 = 4,440 a month in expenses now lets say they are all vacant if I am not able to get a tenant in then im screwd and right off the bat lose $4,400. Lets say I get 3 out of the 5 to move in at 1100$ thats 3,300 a month in rent leaving me at a loss of $1,100 a month. I forgot to factor in property tax wich is an additional 100+$ a month.

buying 1 house cash 100$ in insurance 100$ a month property tax 100$ a month $180 a month across vacancy, repairs and CAP looking at 480 a month. 

on 1100 in month thats 660 in profit. 

to your point about the CAP if the property is paid in cash or down payment if the cost to fix something is 10k its still going to be 10k regardless of if the house is paid for or not. 


Does that make sense?


Im not trying to argue and I hope its not coming across that way im just trying to throw my thoughts out there. 

doing this 100% as a long investment and I dont need to cash out of this anytime soon. 

Post: I just put in an offer for an Amazing single family house!

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Originally posted by @Christopher Phillips:

@Peter G.

Ran your numbers and I get pretty much the same, even assuming capex, property mgmt, sewer, lawn care, using all cash.

It's just cash flow positive with a 30 year fixed at 25% down and 5% interest rate. ROI about 2.6% give or take depending on the paint and repairs you're talking about.

Yes. It's easier to get into a deal when taking advantage of cash. You're offer looks better and you can close quicker.

But, @Devin Haertling is 100% correct about using your cash to buy more properties.

Your risk is actually higher by tying up your cash in one property. You also decrease your ROI since your investment is much higher.

When you actually have multiple properties, you build wealth quicker as those rents build up equity for you, so your investment into the assets works harder for you. You use the power of OPP to acquire those properties. Essentially using leverage to build wealth.

And, the risk of something happening to one property is high (heating system, roof, vacancy, etc.) Risk spread across multiple properties actually lowers your risk.


How can you  say the "risk something happening to one property is high (heating system, roof, vacancy, etc.) vs multiple"

That does not make sense at all the more properties you own the higher risk of something like that happening. 

Think of it this way lets say we have a house gum ball machine and all the houses in the area that are similar condition etc are put in this gumball machine. and you turn the gumball house machine of doom an one gumball comes out. is your one of your gumball more or less likely to come out if you have 1 or 5 in the machine. 

Post: I just put in an offer for an Amazing single family house!

Peter G.Posted
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Originally posted by @Devin Haertling:

Have you though if only putting 20-25% down and using the rest of the cash for another down payment on another purchase. If you used this technique you might be able to buy 4-5 properties.

 Yes Devin I have I have thought about that ALOT and I mean ALOT and I was very very close to doing just that. But I am in a position now where I don't think it's worth the risk and stress that comes with buying multiple houses with mortgages. I plan on sticking to the all cash every few years game plan.

Just my personal preference.

Post: I just put in an offer for an Amazing single family house!

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also @Steve S. I am happy with a 6-8% ROI each year on a cash deal rather than having it sit in the bank or the stock market.

Post: I just put in an offer for an Amazing single family house!

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Originally posted by @Steve S.:

That cash flow seems to be relatively low.  It won't be over 10% based on my quick eyeball of the details.  Doesn't mean it's a bad deal.  I typically only try to buy properties that Cash on Cash > 10%.  Just my personal preference.

What's the property tax rate?  What will insurance cost?  What are you planning to put down (20? 25%?)

 property tax is 1640 a year. Insurance will be no more then $100 a month Monday im calling the agent to get an exact number. Paying cash

Post: I just put in an offer for an Amazing single family house!

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Originally posted by @Christopher Phillips:

@Peter G.

Whats the monthly cash flow and ROI %?

 between 6-8% depending on the Repair cost over the years. Right now all I need to do is to paint one room and touch up some trim. 

Cashflow is between 600-883$ depending on Repair cost over the years

Post: I just put in an offer for an Amazing single family house!

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I just put in an offer for an Amazing single family house! It's close to lots of shops/ restaurants and the freeway. I really hope I get this!!! 

Details:
Market Value:$137,000
List Price:$125,900
Offer:$120,000
SF: 1,812
Rent: $1,200
Bed:3
Bath:2

Post: 1% rule how acurate is this?

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Originally posted by @Russell Brazil:

There are many metrics you can use that may or may not be helpful to your specific situation. Cash on cash return is important for a lot of people, free cash flow, true cash flow, internal rate of return, cap rate etc. Every investor is looking for something different. If you are looking for income replacement, then cash on cash or free cash flow might be more important. If you are looking for long term wealth building then internal rate of return might be more important. Not all of investing is a science either, there is a bit of art to it.

Long term is my plan thank you for your advice!