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All Forum Posts by: Nate Sanow

Nate Sanow has started 20 posts and replied 1459 times.

Post: Strategy for finding a tenant in December?

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Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Manuel Melendez:

It's common for the rental market to slow in the winter, particularly around the holidays. A couple tricks:

1. Lower your price, but never lower your standard.

2. Offer a month-to-month lease or a 6-month lease. This can attract more potential renters to get you through the winter months, then you can rent it for a full year and get in on the spring/summer cycle.

3. Offer an incentive like a % off their second month of rent. I don't recommend discounts on the first month because you don't want someone moving in cheap and then they can't afford the second month of rent.

4. Increase exposure by marketing on multiple platforms.

5. Make sure your pictures are good, your description is well written, and try to add a walk-through video that makes it easier for viewers to get an idea of layout, neighborhood, etc.


 Nathan again with the gold. Thanks for sharing this 

Post: What do beginner investors overlook when analyzing properties?

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Principal, interest, insurance and taxes, obviously. Property management if you won’t self manage. Some say, factor it in no matter what, but I am of the opinion that was a luxury of the market 10 years ago when everything had cash flow. For those of us still building in this appreciation meets higher interest rate environment, I argue PM doesn’t need to be accounted for initially but be cognizant of it… and then for me I look at minor capex and major capex as two different buckets. For example, if I do a new roof and hvac, I should be okay on those categories for the next 5-10 year’s minimum. These are major capex categories. Minor capex would be the toilet or sink having a leak, paying a plumber $150 ish to fix it. 

For me the minor capex isn’t a huge concern as it’s one of many tax write offs I look for, being self employed. The major stuff I do worry about and account for, but being that I focus on Brrrrr I’m usually updating that stuff anyway in advance and in practice I shouldn’t have a problem for awhile. 

Maybe this isn’t what you asked but I am basically suggesting do keep analyzing based on worst case scenarios most investors will tell you to do that. But also look for some ways to pull a trigger and make a deal make sense. That isn’t necessarily popular opinion but it beats sitting on the sidelines for forever and is my personal approach. 

Post: How to pay $0 in taxes on a STR generating over $120K in revenue

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Hey Taylor, would this change next year when bonus depreciation is 80%, and ultimately phased down to 0% in the next few years? Certainly can / will affect this strategy if so. I do hope they bring back bonus depreciation and my question isn’t for debate, moreso curiosity. 

Post: Rent to Own Properties for First Home?

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Quote from @Shiela R.:

Hi @Nate Sanow, it's my understanding that if someone has to foreclose with a lease option agreement, they accepted way too much option money (more than 3% of the end purchase price).  In that case, I tenant buyer would have equitable interest.  And, yes, the owner of record would need to foreclose to gain back control of the property. However, there is no good reason to get into this situation.  

A lease is simply a lease - monthly payments for a term IE. 12 months.  There is no claim or agreement of ownership, future or otherwise.

A lease option is normal tenancy plus an exclusive agreement (the option agreement) to buy at a specific price within a specific time.  The option agreement is the exclusive right (but not the obligation) to buy or own in the future.  The deed only transfers to a TB when they bring in new financing.  A seller who lease options his/her house cannot sell it to someone other than the tenant buyer with the agreement whom they have the option agreement. Hence, it's exclusive.

Owner carry is the same as seller financing. It is a sale. Owner carry is not a lease option. The seller is carrying the note but the buyer gets the deed as in any other sale.  Shame on someone who advertises "rent to own" but means seller financing.  That is not the same.  They should advertise as OWC (Owner Will Carry). SMH.  AND if they should have to foreclose bc they are the lender not the owner.

Yes, it is state to state. I've only heard of Texas having an issue with an option agreement longer than a certain length of time (IE. 6 months). But OWC is not LO. Okay, off the soapbox. :)


 Gotcha. You clearly know a lot about it, way more than I do. And yes that’s an important nuance (the deceitful tactics) and really is my actual issue with how many people do it. 

Post: Rent to Own Properties for First Home?

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Quote from @Shiela R.:

@Lindsey Johnson and @Nate Sanow - close.  The difference between "rent to own" and lease option is just the name.  One doesn't mean you are leasing for 30 years.  At least, not if you're doing it right.  I've never lease optioned to sell or acquire properties for more than 3.5 years.  The term "rent to own" is a way to market to a tenant buyer.  Lease option or lease purchase just doesn't have the same ring to it;) 

You are literally leasing to a tenant buyer with the exclusive option to purchase the same property.  This tenant buyer understands that you are helping them get their credit and work history in order so they can bring in a new loan.  Otherwise you are making it way too complicated and depending on other terms (option payment, length of option, amount of rent credit, end purchase price) you are opening your self up to a bunch of scrutiny - ethically and legally.  Keep it simple. :)

 @Shiela R. I have known people whom have had to go through the foreclosure process due to using rent to own language in the structure, and not clarifying if it is a type of owner carry VS a lease option. Correct me if I am wrong but a ton of rent to own's are done in an owner carry type manner...which is where it seems most the pain comes. I guess I could have spelled that out, but to me and from what I know, it is vastly different than a lease option.  A lease option is as simple as normal tenancy.  All of this could be state by state and my experience here is finite and indirect, I'll admit.  

Post: Rent to Own Properties for First Home?

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Quote from @Lindsey Johnson:
Quote from @Nate Sanow:

I don’t love the rent to own concept for a buyer as it is often structured as a way to help the seller “sell” to a few renters and recoup all deposits etc multiple times… a lease option or a contract for deed - if your state has those - are a little cleaner and simpler. 


 What is the difference between a "rent to own" and a "lease option"?

@Lindsey Johnson rent to own is where monthly rent will eventually mean a tenant owns a home, 30 years later. Sounds good but gets choppy if they decide to “sell” because they don’t really own it, and are upset…no one stays anywhere 30 years anymore. And there are, unfortunately, sellers / investors who prey upon this. 

A lease option: an “option” to buy something is paid for, for let’s say $1,000 or $5,000. It allows the tenant a year or two to get their finances in order to buy the house. But they are still a tenant and they should know that, because there isn’t any language for ownership. Only for the “option” to buy it in a year. 

Post: New Realtor and Aspiring Investor

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Hey @Sharone Richardson welcome and congrats on the exciting first / next steps you are taking. I’m here to help if I can. I have some perspective  as it was 3 years ago I decided to go self employed and count on no one but me, and investing has only grown compared to the w2 days. Holler if you need something. 

Post: Data sources, anyone?

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Post: NEW TOO WEBSITE Just starting out .

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Welcome to BP

Post: 2022 recap How was your year?

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Good job. 

I bought 3 this year, would be more (5) but 2 of the next acquisitions are probates...likely won’t close until January … I also Helped a bunch of people build wealth through real estate. Goals for next year are to scale both things and be more aggressive with my growth.