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All Forum Posts by: Nate Marshall

Nate Marshall has started 45 posts and replied 1090 times.

Post: Is Pace Morby a Scam?

Nate MarshallPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Evergreen, CO
  • Posts 1,175
  • Votes 638
Quote from @Joseph Leahy:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Donald Morrish

Check out William tingle


 Hi Chris. Is this the Sub To training you were mentioning? Are you saying this would be a good alternative to Pace Morby's Sub To program?


 Yeah nobody should pay that kind of money for anything Pace Morby sells. Buying fent from a stranger is a safer bet. 

Post: Mark Evans DM Who is this Guy ?

Nate MarshallPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Evergreen, CO
  • Posts 1,175
  • Votes 638
Quote from @Jim Haertjens:
Quote from @Shomail Malik:

Same.  Invested $40,000 with the online store.   He didn't deliver.  Just took the money and ran.  Apparently sold off the company and let his investors hang dry.   All over social media promoting his lifestyle.   Maybe he was legit at some point, as I know some good people that are involved with him and vouch for him.  But he did F over quite a lot of people with this online store scam.


 i Also am out the 40,000 from Lifestyle Money Mark Evans. It didn't even last 2 months before our Amazon Store was shut down for non compliance. 


 Amazon store? Guru bois are selling on Amazon now? 

Post: Pace Morby Mentorship

Nate MarshallPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Evergreen, CO
  • Posts 1,175
  • Votes 638

Well there is an entire conference that would have been held this week if not for the hurricane about stopping Pace and the gator bois. It may even have had some DOJ interest. 

Post: Thoughts About New Western?

Nate MarshallPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Evergreen, CO
  • Posts 1,175
  • Votes 638
Quote from @Kristin Flores-Brockman:
Quote from @Austin B.:

Has anyone purchased a property from New Western? If so, how was the experience? Did you feel like their comps were relatively accurate?


 So many great responses here! Hopefully you got your question answered! :) 

There are more reputable people and companies to work with... Personally, I stay away from them!


 Good for you. More people should. I wish they did. I hear from so many taken advantage of by New Western. 

Post: Launch Your Leads Scam

Nate MarshallPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Evergreen, CO
  • Posts 1,175
  • Votes 638
Quote from @Tonya English:

Nice cordial people who mean well, but had the program for a year and they didn’t produce even 1 hot lead let alone a contract.


 Yep. I have people in my organization who have experienced the same mis treatment. All nice and cordial on the sales pitch but deliver NOTHING! 

Post: Pace Morby Mentorship

Nate MarshallPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Evergreen, CO
  • Posts 1,175
  • Votes 638
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Deb S.:

@Account Closed my experience over the last 4 years has been worth every dime! The community is where the value is - not that the knowledge and legal docs aren't important cause they are. I've been a PML on over a dozen deals, I'm part owner of 2 mobile home parks and part owner of a SEO start up biz.

All of these deals were brought to me from the subto community-I didn't have to go looking for them and that's the power of this community. You can do an entire RE transaction just by using the resources in the Subto community. 

We have wholesalers, people with subto assignments, others that do dispo, PML/PMPs, transaction coordinators, Title Companies in most states that specialize in Subto/creative finance (brand new thanks to Pace), property managers for STR/MTR, people looking to JV on Padsplit/co-living, JV partners for mobile home parks (MHPs)/RV parks, self storage, opportunities for multi-family (MF) syndications, etc. The list goes on.

The knowledge sharing is very powerful. Everyone is there to help or point you in the right direction if they can't help with your specific issue. You'll want to network, network, network so that you meet people knowledgeable in areas you're not. Many, many people have met and built their own teams within subto. People will post looking to add an underwriter to their team or a closer for example. The only way you won't be successful is if you stay silent! I have absolutely no regrets. It's a lifetime membership which I've never seen anywhere else and it more than pays for itself.

Yes, there is free information out there. But if you need help implementing that information, figuring out all the pieces to make an opportunity successful (buying a subto, doing a wrap, a lease option, seller finance, for example), what legal documents you need, a partner to help you fund your deal, then that is where the value of the subto community is. 

If you know everything already then you don't need to join a mentorship. But if you want to learn and grow your portfolio and even have a partner or 2 on a deal, then Subto community might be for you.

If you do decide to join, let me know and I can send you a link for a discount. Deb


I have different thoughts on the "community" I see on facebook. Here is an example where someone is now providing tax advice as a sub2 person: What is even worse is people are thinking this is great and wanting to do it as well. This group is like a herd of sheep being brought to the edge of the cliff and no one is asking the question why is everyone jumping off....


Here is also another online review.
Gator Lending Reviews | ScamRisk

@Chris Seveney: As you are properly pointing out, bad advice gets amplified in a  group like that. And not all loans pay off. Lending to unsophisticated borrowers, who have no money or experience, isn't my idea of a safe investment. ;-)

 I have over 20 people in my group who have had not just bad but horrible experiences with Pace and his gators. There is a conference next week in Florida where one day will be dedicated to discussions and strategies for helping people not just avoid the gators but also recover from them. 

Gators are overtly. Most have no real estate experience to begun with. Pace recruits them by running ads on You Tube. I actually saw one while watching the postgame from the Colorado-Baylor game 2 weeks ago. 

I have one person who had 6 deals with Gators. One gator boi started calling the bank. A good way to get the mortgage called due. 

Also lending at 200% is kind of usuary. My own EMD lenders are loaning at less than 30%.

Post: Is Pace Morby a Scam?

Nate MarshallPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Evergreen, CO
  • Posts 1,175
  • Votes 638
Quote from @Tanya Maslach:
Quote from @Jonathan Chan:

I'm actually in the subto group and it's not a scam. I'm curious to see what experiences Mike's had within the community. I'd be happy to jump on a call or even a zoom to show you what's available.


 I would love to chat with you. I'm actually considering that Sub To community now. Along with another.  Would be great to chat and learn how you've done since joining.


 There are much better options to learn Sub To and better people than the gators who in fact will be the subject of a private lenders conference next week. 

Post: RentToRetirement.com Review - Beware of this scam

Nate MarshallPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Evergreen, CO
  • Posts 1,175
  • Votes 638
Quote from @Vivan Bhalla:
Quote from @Grant McMillan:

To all reading this thread, I am the COO of RTR and responding on our behalf.
It's important to point out a few key facts in this case since this is not simply a review. Yes, making statements about being a "scam" and using profanity like this is both unprofessional and against BP forum posting rules. It certainly does impact our business for anyone considering using our services and there are many facts that are misrepresented or omitted.

RTR serves as a turnkey and new construction marketplace that researches various investment markets throughout the country and connects investors and sellers. We always encourage investors to conduct full due diligence on any property, team & market they choose to work with. We do our best to help set them up for success with many tools and resources made available to them. We also do our best to help navigate any issues investors may encounter throughout their ownership. After all, this is real estate, and it would be unrealistic to expect that things like tenant issues or other issues do not ever occur, even in TK or new construction investing.

Some notable items to understand:
1) This investor independently chose to move forward with this Akron property on his own. Our team discussed multiple investment options with him, including new construction homes in nice areas that likely attract better quality tenants. He had the opportunity to interview the seller and mngt prior to closing on the home and chose to work with them.
2) As always recommended, this investor conducted full due diligence by having an inspection and appraisal. As he stated, the inspection came back in good condition, and the home appraised at full value without any identifying issues at the time of purchase.
3) RTR was made aware of issues that the investor was experiencing with the tenant. We communicated both with this investor and mngt to help find a solution for a tenant that was struggling to pay rent. Over the past year, RTR has over 50 emails back and forth with this investor and mngt, attempting to sort out solutions. We have had multiple phone calls with all parties, and our owner has taken time to personally speak with him as well. During this time, this investor stated he was very happy for the support. Furthermore, while not obligated, RTR financially contributed to help this investor offset missed rents from the tenant, which it sounds like the investor later recovered from the tenant eventually. We also assisted to have mngt contribute thousands to the investor as well. A resolution agreement was signed and this investor notated that he was very satisfied with this outcome at that time.

In summary, RTR has been on BP for close to a decade now helping investors identify attractive markets across the country and build investment strategies to achieve their goals. We have an exceptional reputation that we have worked very hard to achieve. We know that we have helped more people than those dealing with challenges. No, we are not perfect like any business, and we always welcome feedback as long as it's constructive and professional. This is real estate investing and there are multiple variables that affect the performance and outcome of any investment property over time, both for the positive and negative. Anyone investing in real estate needs to be prepared for that.

It sounds like this investor was able to make significant progress with this tenant to get caught up. We wish him the best success with this property and his future in real estate. Despite this negative post, we are still willing to assist in any way we can, with the understanding that everyone interacts in a professional manner.

Grant McMillan, COO Rent to Retirement

You should read all the reviews others have posted. Looks like your usual method to pay people and make them sign NDA is not really working. The reviews are speaking for themselves 

 Snap!!! 100% right. The NDA's are clearly not working, We need to trade soke of these gurus and scammers for the hostages in Gaza. 

Post: Pace Morby Gator Method Course Review

Nate MarshallPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Evergreen, CO
  • Posts 1,175
  • Votes 638
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Matt Mahoney:
Quote from @Anthony Stephens:

It sounds interesting but my concern is that this would be an unsecured loan to someone who may not be in a good financial position. I assume that if the wholesale deal falls through the earnest money is lost and the "Gator" lender would have to seek the money from the wholesaler who did not have the funding to begin with.

Am I misunderstanding?


 Looks like the money goes to the Escrow Company so no loss


but the seller has to sign to release it. and if the seller thinks they were lied to by the wholesaler ( very common) they will not sign.. and the money is stuck too small to litigate over and if not resolved the title company will file an interpleader with the court and send the money there.

 TRUTH. Plus I ran into Pace Morby's mom and now know why he calls it Gator... 

Post: Jerome Maldonado real estate developer training

Nate MarshallPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Evergreen, CO
  • Posts 1,175
  • Votes 638
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

There is no guru or course on the planet that can teach you real estate development in the span of days or weeks

Someone can teach your college level 101 stuff but I would love to see how these courses tell you how to interact with planning and zoning boards, how to negotiate proffers, how to deal with disgruntled neighbors and community members. How to hire a design team, what to look for - do you run all the agreements under the architect or separate and why…..

To me anyone going into a this type of program is going to be disappointed.


 What Chris said X100!!!!