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All Forum Posts by: Nate Marshall

Nate Marshall has started 45 posts and replied 1090 times.

Post: Kris Krohn - Is This Mentor Full of it or Legit?

Nate MarshallPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Evergreen, CO
  • Posts 1,175
  • Votes 638
Quote from @Tura Meyer:

What is your proof on Kris Khron besides his name is Kris?


 You have 8 posts. So maybe figure it out yourself. 

Post: Kris Krohn - Is This Mentor Full of it or Legit?

Nate MarshallPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Evergreen, CO
  • Posts 1,175
  • Votes 638
Quote from @Tura Meyer:

Kris Khron is a male. 


 Kris Krohn. Kris Thomas. Stay away from people in RE named Kris. They are both frauds who belong in ADX Florence. 

Post: Pace Morby Gator Method Course Review

Nate MarshallPosted
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  • Evergreen, CO
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It's funny that the gator bois are so defensive. This while they are charging 200% interest, lending in 3rd -5th position and using collection tactics the Gambino family would find distasteful.

Post: Grumpy Hare reviews and feedback

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I haven't heard of that one. Will look at it. I have over 150 items in my resource library including all of those items. 

Post: Pace Morby’s Gator Lending - yay or nay?

Nate MarshallPosted
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  • Evergreen, CO
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Quote from @Stuart Udis:

@Xavier Prieto Your post has truthfully done nothing to help your case and you sound like a brainwashed Pace Morby groupie. You speak of ethical business practices…well I can see nothing more ethical than 10,000 Pace Morby students believing they are now experts on legal intricacies of corporate structures, real estate finance law and SEC regulations….can’t wait to see how this turns out for those you all transact with. 


 100% fact. Most of the deals I see that gators are involved with have issues. People come running to me to help them. 3 people last week alone. They are tired of paying usuary and having people without any experience structuring deals. The influencer/incel types.

Post: Pace Morby’s Gator Lending - yay or nay?

Nate MarshallPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Evergreen, CO
  • Posts 1,175
  • Votes 638
Quote from @Xavier Prieto:

Nate, it's essential to recognize that the way you brand yourself online is just as critical as the message you're sending. When you make unfounded claims about fraud, incels, or Ponzi schemes, it reflects more on your lack of understanding than on the integrity of the Gator Method or its community. You seem to be relying on second-hand stories to form a narrative that doesn’t hold water. Rather than assuming that 30 vague anecdotes translate to toxicity, you’d be better served by asking questions and seeking clarification.

For those actually involved in the Gator Lending community, we’re talking about people dedicated to building real estate careers, many of them husband-and-wife teams who are laser-focused on staying out of the "rat race." Your claim about "incel types" is not only wrong but offensive. I’ve been involved in multiple mentorships, including Gator Lending since 2022, and I can tell you firsthand that this community is rooted in professionalism, learning, and collaboration—not in the stereotypes you're peddling.

Transactional funding is a time-tested practice in real estate, with over a century of history behind it. It’s not some scheme made up by a so-called guru. Before dismissing the system, at least take the time to watch free resources on YouTube or hear lenders explain their strategies. The Gator Method offers a variety of lending strategies, and it's not just about one isolated technique.

Now, to shift away from uninformed allegations: I joined the group to further my education after passing my 3 state of FL general contractor exams. I wanted to fill the 'educational' void after studying intensely for months to pass these exams. With real estate, investments, and lending- all fields closely tied to construction- Gator Lending has provided me with structured, in-depth training, covering everything from legal intricacies of corporate structures to real estate finance law and SEC regulations. The level of education, not to mention the high ethical standards enforced within the group, speaks for itself.

We have a community of over 10,000 members committed to ethical business practices, and there is accountability for those who do not follow safety standards or ethics. The Zoom conferences, corporate breakdowns, and ongoing educational sessions, many of which involve seasoned attorneys and industry professionals, are constant. Most importantly, the group is an environment of positivity and support that is above and beyond other communities I’ve been a part of.

If anyone has genuine questions about the Gator Method, I’m happy to provide more insights from a seasoned perspective. I've done deals, found creative solutions, and, yes—it's been absolutely worth it.

If you want a discount link I can provide that as well


 I would sooner invest in FTX. Gators are no different than hamas!

Post: Pace Morby’s Gator Lending - yay or nay?

Nate MarshallPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Evergreen, CO
  • Posts 1,175
  • Votes 638
Quote from @Stuart Udis:

@Xavier Prieto Your post has truthfully done nothing to help your case and you sound like a brainwashed Pace Morby groupie. You speak of ethical business practices…well I can see nothing more ethical than 10,000 Pace Morby students believing they are now experts on legal intricacies of corporate structures, real estate finance law and SEC regulations….can’t wait to see how this turns out for those you all transact with. 


 he sounds like he would do well as a member of Hamas. 

Post: Has Anyone Used SEOMEETSREI

Nate MarshallPosted
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  • Evergreen, CO
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Quote from @Anthony Stephenson:

Has anyone used the company SEOMEETSREI for backlink services? I found them on the Investor Carrot website as one of their preferred vendors. 


 No I have a much better way. Encompasses a lot more. 

Post: Syndicator Threatens LPs for Negative Comment about them On BP

Nate MarshallPosted
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Quote from @JD Martin:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Jay Hinrichs

I 100% agree - but I would bet you a nickel that what many sponsors are doing right now has 0 benefit to the funds that are in trouble or right the ship - they are just trying to stay afloat and raise money so they can live their “lifestyle” for the next few years.

To the contrary I think many know it’s a lost cause but do not want to admit it / make it public as it will crush their money raising efforts on their new funds.

Maybe I am wrong but my gut tells me differently


 This is exactly what I suspect as well. I could maybe sign up with that theory if the GPs were using the side hustle money as a way of cutting or eliminating their fees & salaries altogether while they try to hang in long enough to hope for enough rate cuts to refinance or the market to unfreeze and let them unload at least at break-even, but I bet none of them do anything of the kind. 

The character of a wo/man shows when the ship is taking on water. Do they save women & children first, or do they abandon ship and watch it go down from afar? Personally, I think most of these funds are run by greedy, opportunistic individuals who capitalized on their own fame, a temporary dummy-proof market, and intoxication with their own "abilities" to vacuum up a bunch of largely unsuspecting dupes, accredited or not into funds that were always risky in that they needed everything to go exactly right (largely, the same way they had been going for the previous 10+ year, a historical anomaly) in order to make it work. I suspect most of these funds will be unwound not with bankruptcy but with severe haircuts for the LPs and break even or slight profit for the top dogs, and let's go heavy into RE courses and teach you how to get out of your paralysis type plays. 


 You hit all of the marks on this. Well done. 

Post: Syndicator Threatens LPs for Negative Comment about them On BP

Nate MarshallPosted
  • Financial Advisor
  • Evergreen, CO
  • Posts 1,175
  • Votes 638
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Scott Trench:
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Nate Marshall:
Quote from @Christopher G.:
Quote from @Mark F.:
Quote from @V.G Jason:

Great job. Call out these terrible acts by terrible folks. 

The syndicator is just a letter off from the word Lame. Spill the beans, the world is too public.

Careful what tree you bark up, you'll get the wrong dog. Fold you like a pretzel if you try on it. 

 @Lane Kawaoka. Dunno if it tagged him but the guys at Drunk Real Estate (@J Scott) talked about this topic a bit in their latest podcast episode regarding LPs or random strangers calling out GPs on Twitter/X. There's a big difference from calling out scammers and fraudsters verses calling out failing syndications. I saw nothing wrong with what Giles said as he was shedding light on the lack of communication. If i was an investor in Lane's syndication and he pulled that, I sure as hell wouldn't be scared. Linked to his profile in this post as well.

I invested 5 figures into a failing note syndication (AHP) and theres a thread on BP. The sponsor has posted updates in it, albeit it bad ones. Glad Scott is addressing this head on and sorry to hear it came to this.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/users/wealthelevator


 This is like financial PTSD.  I 'learned' about syndications and had a few discussions with him back in 2019 and did 4 deals before I told myself that I needed to diversify and invest elsewhere.  3 of those 4 deals have failed, with 100% LP capital lost and the 4th one, though the latest correspondence was positive, is now in a capital call event because of the loan.  

This GP's ability to move fast and replace bad apartment managers, read where the market is going, and engage (call every LP and explain the situation during a capital call) has led to millions of investor capital being lost. I was a novice investor in 2019-21 and thought the deals all made sense but didn't understanding where cap rates were and where the market was, I feel like the GP team should have known like many other GPs knew what was coming. I'm sure the GPs also lost millions but they also make a lot due to acquisition fees.  It's extremely frustrating but perhaps/hopefully it has made me a better investor?


 There are only a handful of GP's and sponsors I would suggest anyone invest with. 


Let's flip this to a more positive note; 

What are the hallmarks of a GOOD GP/Syndicator? Other than the obvious "makes me $$$$". 

Because I too am hearing of Syndicators/Syndicated deals imploding all over the place and LP's singing similar tune of getting f'd where I wonder how, just how this could be at scale. Because exactly 0 of my deals have imploded over last years...... And yes, plenty of these are at scale. My opinion is the sheer volume of R.E. know-nothings who jumped into space over recent years, the people blindly throwing $$$$ at every good slogan and sales pitch without real D.D. done on the operator themself to confirm they had the chops to do what selling there gonna do. 

So, what is a "Good" GP/Syndicator look like today? 

For me, a "Good" Sponsor looks something like this: 

- Fees more or less result in a solid full-time salary for sponsor, not millions in upfront compensation: 
 Fees are structured such that the sponsor earns a good living while managing your money, but does not make a killing until your money is returned. For example, I'd like to see a sponsor making $150,000 - $300,000 in base salary income from their combined portfolio of projects, if they are managing my money full-time. Any more than this, and I feel that I am paying for their luxury lifestyle before getting returns delivered. Any less than this, and I worry they will "Side-Hustle" because the income isn't enough to appease the ambitions of the aggressive, high ego personalities that are drawn to GP work and Syndications.

Obviously this range can vary, but "bad" to me is a sponsor bringing home $2.5M - $10M+ per year just in acquisition fees. 

I want my GPs to buy their mountain home, fleet of luxury vehicles, and fly first class or private, of course! ... Just AFTER they've made me money... not WITH the money I JUST gave them. 

- Full-Time Focus:
 Related, Sponsor works on the deal or a small, closely related subset of deals full time. Sponsor does not have 30 disparate projects competing for their attention. I am paying them for full-time focus on my deal, and the very best they have to offer. Sponsor is relatively "hands-on" with a concentrated pool of investments.

- Concentrated investment thesis and focus:
 I am paying a sponsor high fees relative to a REIT for concentrated expertise in a narrow niche. For example, I like to see sponsors who JUST do one thing, and do it well. Perhaps that's Multifimly in Houston, Texas. Or Self-Storage in Atlanta, GA.

I am personally not interested in paying a sponsor high fees to diversify across the entire continental United States in random opportunities across multiple asset types. I will do that diversification myself by giving my money to those who I perceive to be experts in specific asset classes, and do not a single sponsor to do that. 

- Sponsor is transparent and realistic. Sponsor is self-aware and humble. Sponsor does not pretend to be the second coming of Warren Buffet:
 Sponsor does not tout a "Track Record on Full Cycle Deals" that is marred by no recent exits and obviously struggling current portfolio in public advertising. Sponsor is realistic about current market conditions, and is humbling themselves on current portfolio, while also realistically appraising current environment as a potentially better buying opportunity than the peak 3 years ago. 

- Sponsor learns from mistakes
. Sponsor takes personally accountability. When and if sponsor's company is discussed hundreds of times on an online forum, and they are obviously out there raising capital and publicly promoting their business, they are not pretending not to notice hundreds of negative discussions on BiggerPockets and failing to engage entirely. They are actively participating and easy to reach. 

Notice that I'm not saying "Sponsor who makes me money" or "Sponsor with great track record". Track record, unless it goes back 30 years, is pretty meaningless to me in today's climate. *Almost anyone with a pulse could put up good returns in the 2010s. Half of sponsors are now getting crushed when the going is getting tough, and those previous track records don't really mean much, compared to the things I list above. 



 When you look at the majority of those being BLASTED right now here on BP lets look at them and Scott brings up great points:

The two biggest ones are: 

Full-Time Focus & Concentrated investment thesis and focus:

Lets break them down:

Full Time Focus: Is the sponsor working toward resolving the issues with the fund or are they out there raising money for their next fund and traveling the "GURU" circuit. 

The ones getting blasted (ODC, RADD, Kawaoka, Ashcroft, Norada): What do they all have in common? Most of the sponsors are salesman out there promoting their membership / GURU courses. Are they actually working on the deal trying to make it better? Does it have their full time attention?

Now lets look at concentration:

Similar, ODC appears to be doing MF, debt, MHP etc.

Kawaoka appears to be in anything and everything.

Rad appears to be land, rentals and a $50k membership group to teach you how to buy real estate (which is ironic based on their current situation)...

Ashcroft appears stays in their lane.

Norada has little real estate but ecommerce, membership groups, broadway plays, bitcoin etc. but is starting a STR rental fund...

These Jack of All Trades, Master of None.... 


 Anything in crypto or wellness? LOL