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All Forum Posts by: Matthew John

Matthew John has started 31 posts and replied 266 times.

Post: Crushing it with BRRRR in Metro Detroit (Pics Included)

Matthew JohnPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro Detroit, MI
  • Posts 277
  • Votes 269

Post: Crushing it with BRRRR in Metro Detroit (Pics Included)

Matthew JohnPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro Detroit, MI
  • Posts 277
  • Votes 269

Investment Info: My plan for this property was to BRRRR, but decided to put my own spin on it. At the time, I didn't see why it's best to pay cash up front so I ended up only putting 5% down payment and financing it through a conventional bank loan.

Because of this, I am living here until I'm legally allowed to turn it into a rental. 

Deal Facts 

  • Built 1954
  • 831sq ft
  • 2 bed, 1 bath
  • 1.5 car Garage, central air
  • Half acre lot
  • Dead end street, near freeway
  • 1/2 mile away from GM/Chrysler plants
  • Worst house on the street

Purchase Price: $57,000

Down Payment: $2850

Financing: 5% Conventional Bank Loan

Rehab Costs: $15,000

Closing Costs: ~$3000

All In: $75,000

Market Rent: $1000/m

Cash out of my Pocket: ~$21,000

                                                                                                        RESULTS AT THE END

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

My goal was to find a property in an area with strong economic development, rental demand, and that would both cash flow and likely appreciate in value over the next ~5 years. 

I read the Master Plan of every city surrounding Detroit and determined this was one of the strongest areas prepped for growth going forward. It's the 3rd largest city in Michigan, borders Detroit, and has a high tenant population. I grew up in the neighboring city, so I was already familiar with the areas to avoid and the exact locations to look for a property. 

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I spent 3 months looking on the MLS to find this deal. I went and saw around 30 houses, both small Multi-Family and SFH. I put out around 5 offers, had 2 accepted, and this is the one I actually closed on. It was listed for $55,000 and had another offer for full price, so I told my agent $57,000 and they accepted. I actually paid slightly more than it was listed for...but this is the competitive market we are in!

How did you add value?

  • Paint throughout 
  • Added closet to make an official 2 bedroom
  • Removed 1 tree out front that was ruining driveway
  • Added dishwasher
  • Poured back patio
  • Added storage to laundry room
  • New flooring throughout 
  • Remodeled Bathroom
  • New doors, fixtures
  • New GE Slate Appliances
  • Poured new sidewalk out front, sealed foundation, fixed front patio

Kitchen Table - After

What was the Outcome?

Since I put 5% down payment and $15,000 of my own money into the deal and it's been about 6 months since we purchased, I wanted to see if we could move PMI and extract some of the equity.

I called up Chase and they sent someone out here to do an Appraisal on the property. 

I got my Appraisal back for $115,000!!

They ended up removing my PMI, dropping my PITI to $471/m and I'm able to extract just over $38,000 from this property! 

It cost me around $21,000, but even if you factor in my living expenses while living here the past 6 months (utilities, mortgage payments) that would maybe add another $4000 to my 'all in' and put me around $25,000 overall cash out of my pocket. I'm now able to extract an additional $13,000 on top of that...pretty crazy! 

Lessons Learned? Challenges?

My biggest lesson learned here is that you can save a LOT of up front costs by paying with all cash. I didn't have $57,000 to put into this deal, nor did I have a private investor, but I see tremendous value in being able to avoid generating 2 bank loans (one up front, one on the refinance). 

The biggest challenge was actually finding a deal. It took a LONG time (and many declined offers) to find this deal. I went to see it with my agent the day it was listed on the MLS and it already had a full price offer. I didn't want to FOMO, but I figured $2000 wasn't going to effect my bottom line too much.

Another challenge I had was putting the deal together. I don't have a regular job or W2 income. I had to bring on a credit partner for this deal (thanks Mom) in order to close!

Future Goals? What's next?

About 2 weeks after I closed this property, I closed on a duplex about 2 miles away. While it was a turnkey investment, I was able to creatively add an additional $255/m in Cash Flow through raising the rents and putting the internet in my name, while charging both tenants individually to use it. 

I've had a lot of difficulties finding more deals on the MLS due to the crazy market surrounding Detroit, so I've started doing some direct mail campaigns and marketing to find off market deals.

I recently put a property under contract for $42,500 from my mail campaign in an even better area than my first deal and it's a bigger house. I'm starting to network more with other investors and forming strategic partnerships to scale up my business focused on the markets surrounding Detroit. 

I want to connect with more investors and acquire 5 more buy and hold SFH or small multi-family properties before 2020.

I'm extremely grateful for Bigger Pockets! 

I've met a ton of great people here & it's helped me a ton. I've listened to every podcast, I read every book recommendation, and try to soak up all the knowledge I can from here! 

Thank you all for reading!

- Matthew

Post: Is it too late to switch mortgage lenders?

Matthew JohnPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro Detroit, MI
  • Posts 277
  • Votes 269

@Matt Austin It depends how far from closing you are & how quickly the seller wants out. 

I switched from Huntington to Chase 2 weeks before the closing date because Huntington decided to change the terms on me last minute. 

The seller told me he wasn't willing to push back the date and if I didn't close in time he would put it back on the market. I made sure Chase was aware of this and got them everything ASAP, we managed to close with Chase in 2 weeks! 

I wouldn't worry about burning a bridge...there's a million different lenders out there. Go with the best one! You're the one going to be stuck with the loan for 30yrs, not them! 

Post: Detroit Single Family Resident: Cashflow Property

Matthew JohnPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro Detroit, MI
  • Posts 277
  • Votes 269

Hey @Michael Fleet! Curious where Morris Invest set you up here in Detroit!

Numbers look alright, but I know you can do better in this area. 

Post: Warren, MI SFR include utilities

Matthew JohnPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro Detroit, MI
  • Posts 277
  • Votes 269

Hey @Michael Tadros

Nice to know the investors in my backyard! 

I have properties in Warren and Centerline and provide the Washer/Dryer. I can usually get them for $100-$150 locally and it's a competitive advantage to another landlord that doesn't provide! 

As for utilities, I provide a shovel for snow for them to remove & I pay for landscaping. Usually $15 - $25 per cut depending on the size of the yard. 

Nice to meet ya! Feel free to reach out if you have any questions about the area. 

Post: Columbus or Detroit?

Matthew JohnPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro Detroit, MI
  • Posts 277
  • Votes 269

Hey @Trace P. Welcome to Bigger Pockets!

I'm a buy and hold investor from Metro Detroit. I grew up in this area, live in the area, and invest all around my house, just outside the city proper. 

Detroit is heavily reliant on the auto industry, but it's not all we have! I would do some digging into the city's Master Plan. Every city has one, most are posted online. They usually give 10-50 year plans of each city. There are both short and long term plans that have me excited for the future of Metro Detroit!

Right now cash flow is king and it's very easy to find in the city and the neighboring cities. You will need a team with boots on the ground that can give you some guidance on where to look! 

Feel free to reach out if you have any questions! 

Post: I’ve been seriously contemplating the Detroit market

Matthew JohnPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro Detroit, MI
  • Posts 277
  • Votes 269

Worked for me, but I don't touch anything in the city! 

Post: Creative options to invest in Multi Family

Matthew JohnPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro Detroit, MI
  • Posts 277
  • Votes 269

@Orlando Perez What kind of ROI is he looking for, 10-12%?

75k is a perfect amount for lend to people doing BRRRR deals in the Midwest. If he's looking to invest out of state then he'll want to start building relationships with a team that has boots on the ground.

No better way to learn a market than to collect $750/m without getting your hands dirty! 

Post: Deal Analysis Feedback for Quadplex

Matthew JohnPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro Detroit, MI
  • Posts 277
  • Votes 269

@Bijan Ziaei It really depends what your strategy is. If you're looking for something turnkey and passive, 11.23% isn't bad. I also see it has a 7.56% cap rate. Where I'm investing the average cap rate for a 4 unit would be around 10%. The higher the cap rate, the lower the value of the property. The lower the cap rate, the less risk/more stable a property *should* be. 

I would also check to make sure all utilities are being paid by the tenants. Figure out if there is anyway to add value and increase the income!

Post: Deal Analysis Feedback for Quadplex

Matthew JohnPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Metro Detroit, MI
  • Posts 277
  • Votes 269

@Bijan Ziaei I would say the closing costs seem low if you're going through a bank to get the loan. I would expect at least $5000 in closing costs for a property that size, but it depends on your lender!