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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 141 posts and replied 4070 times.

Post: New investor looking for advice.

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Quote from @Cody Webb:

Hello everyone, I'm new here and I am looking for advice in investing in properties to rent. I live in Midland TX which is dominated by the oil and gas industry and contemplated on purchasing a house or building a duplex to rent to a oilfield company. However I feel that I lack the knowledge to get started, if anyone has done this in my area I would love to hear your opinion if its profitable enough to be worth the time and trouble. Also if anyone has any advice on where to learn more on the processes of buying and renting I would really appreciate any sources or programs I can complete to help myself.

I like the Midland to Amarillo corridor,I think it's been underserved. Though most of what I've done there, is the I-35  corridor. I could fill you in, but Bigger Pockets requires you "connect" by clicking on my name in order to do that. The "connecting" It's their rule not mine, so I just play along.

Post: Real estate mentorship

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Quote from @Neil Clooney:

Hi,

Does anyone have any advice on real estate mentorship programs. I’m undecided between Blake Choisnet, Nate Barger and Sam Primm.

I’ve researched all three extensively and get good vibes from all three. Was hoping for any advice that could help me decide.

Best Neil

I'm not familiar with them, but the questions you may want to ask 1. Are they still buying properties themselves, it keeps them aware of the market and changes 2. If it a zoom group, local group or "one on one". They are very different experiences and some like one but not another. 3. Does the cost cover all portions or are there "upsales" where more "services" are provided? 4. Are they teaching on what you want to learn? 5. Is there a money back guarantee if for some reason it isn't what you thought you were getting?  6. How long (Months, year) does the training run and what is covered.

Post: Trying to understand Land Contracts

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Quote from @Jeremiah Dunakin:

Hello all. Currently I have one sfh. It is a traditional mortgage. I am trying to understand land contracts and how they work. I have a few questions on the process.

1. How do the terms work? Is it for 30 years?

2. Is there intrest in the payment?

3. Who holds the title. 
4. are realtors involved, and closing cost.

5. What are advantages/ disadvantages for both seller and buyer

A Land Contract can be for the length of time the buyer and seller agree to. 30 years is fine. Usually the seller wants interest, usually the buyer doesn't want interest, it's negotiable.

Your comment: "I can confirm that title is held in the sellers name." 

One occurance does not "confirm" anything. ;-) it's by preference, by agreement of the parties involved.


 title is for sure held in sellers name on contract for deed .. if it is not means its transferred to another party via a deed transfer .. just hold a contract for deed in a neutral escrow does not transfer anything if you ran title it would still come up in the sellers name.. 

I agree with that.

Post: Trying to understand Land Contracts

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Quote from @Matthew Crivelli:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Jeremiah Dunakin:

Hello all. Currently I have one sfh. It is a traditional mortgage. I am trying to understand land contracts and how they work. I have a few questions on the process.

1. How do the terms work? Is it for 30 years?

2. Is there intrest in the payment?

3. Who holds the title. 
4. are realtors involved, and closing cost.

5. What are advantages/ disadvantages for both seller and buyer

A Land Contract can be for the length of time the buyer and seller agree to. 30 years is fine. Usually the seller wants interest, usually the buyer doesn't want interest, it's negotiable.

Your comment: "I can confirm that title is held in the sellers name." 

One occurance does not "confirm" anything. ;-) it's by preference, by agreement of the parties involved.

Post: Trying to understand Land Contracts

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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Jeremiah Dunakin:

Hello all. Currently I have one sfh. It is a traditional mortgage. I am trying to understand land contracts and how they work. I have a few questions on the process.

1. How do the terms work? Is it for 30 years?

2. Is there intrest in the payment?

3. Who holds the title. 
4. are realtors involved, and closing cost.

5. What are advantages/ disadvantages for both seller and buyer

A Land Contract can be for the length of time the buyer and seller agree to. 30 years is fine. Usually the seller wants interest, usually the buyer doesn't want interest, it's negotiable.


The title is held in escrow until the debt is paid off. If the buyer stops making payments, the seller can foreclose. Advantages for the seller are that they may be able to sell a property not fit for the MLS and they don't have to fix up the property to MLS standards, they save the realtors fee of 5% or 6%, it's a more flexible sale, they get monthly payments they can use for income. There are more advantages.

The advantages for the buyer include that usually it's a lot easier to qualify for that kind of financing than bank financing, they may not have to have a down payment, they can tie up a property they otherwise couldn't. There are more advantages as well.

Disadvantages to the seller include that they do not get cashed out. They become a lender with all of the inherent risks. If they don't set it up correctly, they could lose a lot of anticipated income and have to foreclose.

Disadvantages to the buyer include, if it isn't set up correctly and the seller dies, ownership may be in question with a long painful lawsuit.


Mike I have not seen a title company "hold title" Since my Dad used to put hundreds of lots into a holding agreement with Fidelity title back in the 60s.. are you sure on that one ?  of course every state is different and every title company different..  In all the land contracts I have taken back it is more than you can count on 2 hands.. title remains with ME. And there is an abbreviated foreclosure process ( Oregon its called a Strict foreclosure ) but it is a process.. And again it will be state specific.

Risk to the buyer is the seller gets a judgement against themselves and buggers the title. For those reasons I would never buy on a land contract only sell. I want a title to pass and a deed of trust or mortgage to the seller.

Terms as noted are whatever buyer and seller agree to.. either way if the seller takes no interest on the deal they will have imputed interest and if they check with a CPA that will kill the deal right then. plan on paying interest.

I could be wrong on all of this but I am pretty sure this is how it works in the states I have carried contract for deeds  CA OR WA.
When I say "The title is held in escrow", it's not a Title company. In the few that I've done, an attorney held all of the completed paperwork in his vault. That was  in case of the event that the seller was not available or willing to complete the transaction when the time came. That may stem from my "early in my career"  occasions when I had sellers who went missing. I spent a lot of money with attorney's, enforcing contracts. ;-) It's simpler to have an attorney hold onto things and is a powerful witness in a lawsuit.

Post: Trying to understand Land Contracts

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Quote from @Jeremiah Dunakin:

Hello all. Currently I have one sfh. It is a traditional mortgage. I am trying to understand land contracts and how they work. I have a few questions on the process.

1. How do the terms work? Is it for 30 years?

2. Is there intrest in the payment?

3. Who holds the title. 
4. are realtors involved, and closing cost.

5. What are advantages/ disadvantages for both seller and buyer

A Land Contract can be for the length of time the buyer and seller agree to. 30 years is fine. Usually the seller wants interest, usually the buyer doesn't want interest, it's negotiable.


The title is held in escrow until the debt is paid off. If the buyer stops making payments, the seller can foreclose. Advantages for the seller are that they may be able to sell a property not fit for the MLS and they don't have to fix up the property to MLS standards, they save the realtors fee of 5% or 6%, it's a more flexible sale, they get monthly payments they can use for income. There are more advantages.

The advantages for the buyer include that usually it's a lot easier to qualify for that kind of financing than bank financing, they may not have to have a down payment, they can tie up a property they otherwise couldn't. There are more advantages as well.

Disadvantages to the seller include that they do not get cashed out. They become a lender with all of the inherent risks. If they don't set it up correctly, they could lose a lot of anticipated income and have to foreclose.

Disadvantages to the buyer include, if it isn't set up correctly and the seller dies, ownership may be in question with a long painful lawsuit.

Post: Transaction Coordinator Law

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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
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Quote from @Russell Brazil:
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Are there non-disclosure laws that prevent transaction coordinators from sharing information with other people?


 Depends on the state, and depends on your relation to the TC. In say Oklahoma, Texas and North Carolina real estate licensees (and by extension their employees) owe confidentiality to all parties. In most states confidentiality is only owed to the client of the licensee, and not to the people on the opposite side of the transaction.


Russ,   do you use an TC  transaction cordinator is that a common practice in your market with top producers like it is out west.. Every top producing agent has a TC in our market here and the Brokerages offer them as an add on for a fee as well.  I think as much as anything the TC will make sure your paper work is 100% complete Brokerages out here will withhold your commish check if your files is not 100% complete with all required disclosures etc.

 I have a TC/admin assistant.  The only thing she doesn't do is write offers. Other than that...she handles everything on list or buy side. 

As I think of it, I do remeber a high volume real estate office that had TCs, I think they called them admin assitant's in that shop but what the hay, they got things done. 

The way I've seen TC's being heavily promoted in Mr. Pace's group, is that if the investor find's the deal, the TC will write up the deal "so that it's done correctly", send it by Docusign for signature and then walk it through escrow to closing. From what I am seeing from some of the comments here, that's probably not legal everywhere.

Seems to me that's acting as a real estate agent. But, I am not an agent, so I don't know what the rules are.

I do know from the Arizona Bar conversation, when I called them, it's illegal in Arizona to fill out legal forms for a fee, in Arizona, unless you are an attorney, real estate agent or other appropriately licensed individual.


I dont know I will have to think through that one..  investors can go direct to sellers ( like you do ) and write their own offers.. I think investors could have someone write the offer for them for a fee ?  the TC is not the procuring cause of the transaction and that is the definition of needing a license  bringing buyer and seller together for compensation.  I know i can have my employees write contracts I dont personally write them. but we are also not doing this contract for compensation we are buying it as a principal just like you would be doing Mike for your students.  And maybe if your doing this for your students and expecting compensation then you are the one that may need a license ??  just noodling while I drink my coffee :)
Interesting angle, but I don't write the contract for students or even investors that I buy for. They have that responsibility. In a court case or two, I was asked by the opposing attorneys the question, "who filled out the forms and wrote the contracts". Their mere interest in knowing who, made it clear that if you aren't the principal, someone who did fill out the forms, is going to called to the witness stand. :-)

I also take the position that if you are going to form LLCs and such, do it with someone who will defend it in court. Meaning, the only time it matters really is when it is called into question. Using online sources to do an LLC seems a bit silly. It gives the appearance but no protection.

In Arizona at least, you can't charge for filling out forms if you are not an agent or an attorney. If you don't charge for doing so, that's legal, but if you make a mistake you get to explain to the judge why you did it the way you did it.

Post: Transaction Coordinator Law

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Quote from @Russell Brazil:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Russell Brazil:
Quote from @Timothy Michael Mick:

Are there non-disclosure laws that prevent transaction coordinators from sharing information with other people?


 Depends on the state, and depends on your relation to the TC. In say Oklahoma, Texas and North Carolina real estate licensees (and by extension their employees) owe confidentiality to all parties. In most states confidentiality is only owed to the client of the licensee, and not to the people on the opposite side of the transaction.


Russ,   do you use an TC  transaction cordinator is that a common practice in your market with top producers like it is out west.. Every top producing agent has a TC in our market here and the Brokerages offer them as an add on for a fee as well.  I think as much as anything the TC will make sure your paper work is 100% complete Brokerages out here will withhold your commish check if your files is not 100% complete with all required disclosures etc.

 I have a TC/admin assistant.  The only thing she doesn't do is write offers. Other than that...she handles everything on list or buy side. 

As I think of it, I do remeber a high volume real estate office that had TCs, I think they called them admin assitant's in that shop but what the hay, they got things done. 

The way I've seen TC's being heavily promoted in Mr. Pace's group, is that if the investor find's the deal, the TC will write up the deal "so that it's done correctly", send it by Docusign for signature and then walk it through escrow to closing. From what I am seeing from some of the comments here, that's probably not legal everywhere.

Seems to me that's acting as a real estate agent. But, I am not an agent, so I don't know what the rules are.

I do know from the Arizona Bar conversation, when I called them, it's illegal in Arizona to fill out legal forms for a fee, in Arizona, unless you are an attorney, real estate agent or other appropriately licensed individual.

Post: Transaction Coordinator Law

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Quote from @Heather Kiddoo:

I'm happy to jump on a zoom and talk about what TC's do in the creative real estate transaction if either of you are interested @Account Closed @Chris Seveney

Just a simple question or two. Are you licensed by the state in the states you practice in? Do you have any liability to the buyer or to the seller after the Deed is recorded? Just curious.

Post: Can anyone share their experiences with hiring a real estate coach?

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Quote from @Erick Armando Gonzalez:

Hi everyone,

Thoughts? 

When new to the real estate industry and considering whether someone should invest in hiring a real estate coach. I've heard mixed opinions on whether it's worth it for beginners. Can anyone share their experiences with hiring a real estate coach? Has it significantly contributed to your success in the field, or do you believe it's possible to succeed without one?

Thanks in advance for your insights

It depends on you. If you want to skip to the head of the class and save a year or two and possibly keep from losing capital and missing opportunities, you go with a coach that does what you want to do. We’re interested in “off market” deals for instance. Your coach should preferably be teaching "one on one" or you get lost in the crowd.

However, if you have lots of time and like research and aren't particularly concerned about capital return, you hit the books and everything is there.